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03-29-2008, 06:11 AM | #2113 |
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> I'm 16 ... I'm an amateur flash movie maker, and was thinking about making
> something about Dooma's ordeal. Anyone think I should go ahead? If so, > the picture of Fil would feature a lot. No. NOT helpful. Please do NOT do this. > Dooma's absence must be for a reason. I mean, come on. Be logical. Do > you really think he'd go through all of this to leave us hanging. Yes. I think it is a good time for him to be silent. It is easy. It is a way for him to give Fil/Husker something they want ... and if his leasing company screwed up the paperwork, he needs to give them something ... and it is one thing that he can give them. i.e. It moves the ball forward a teenie bit. I believe that Fil/Husker genuinely want to close the deal on this M3. I do NOT agree with the sabotage arguments. Yes, I remember their opening and mid-course gambits ... but I think they "get it". The risks are just too high for them to do otherwise. I am confused by their lawyers. Outside counsel has stated that they are the point of contact and in-charge; then went scorched-earth. Moments later Michael M. reappears and makes a goodwill gesture. Who is in-charge? Perhaps Michael M's posting reflects an impromptu reflection that scorched- earth was one step too far? Or; perhaps they considered it necessary to get everyone's attention. Ergo; the unexpected goodwill gesture may be a peace offering and attempt to de-escalate. Perhaps BMWNA is the force behind the goodwill gesture. (I'm just guessing here folks.) I also believe that they want/need Ken in Lincoln for the delivery - for an uber thorough and guided examination on the rack - perhaps with local BMWCCA wrenches and/or BMWNA engineers observing or participating, followed by a nice long, thorough acceptance-test drive to insure that everything is indeed A-okay. Doing anything that adds miles without Ken present would be nuts. If this M3 has ANY latent mfg defects that are not found and corrected at delivery ... the conspiracy theorists will overwhem this thread. Last edited by rainsux; 03-29-2008 at 06:29 AM.. |
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03-29-2008, 07:58 AM | #2114 |
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Here's my take after a week of this forum.
Dooma (ken) works as a sales assistant for Husker Auto. To generate a bidding frenzy he decides to post a low starting bid for the new M3 on e-bay at Fil's direction. The TV dealership's lawyers are hungry and smell potential libel blood in the water. Laszlo also works for Husker and dumps aditional gas on the fire through his postings. After a week of forum and blog chatter Husker auto has in fact increased sales activity on new M3's and places a hundred new orders(north america sales record). The TV dealership's legal team has enough libel suits to keep them employed for the remainder of their careers. As a sidebar, Ken's son in the eighth grade is completing a social studies paper on mob internet mentality and receives an A++ and an immediate PhD. The contract is delayed until April 1 when the greatest hoax of alltime is revealed, rivaling the Sports Illustrated Sidd Finch 168 mph fastballer. Finally, Fil cuts his hair and declares his candidacy for president as an Independent and edges out McCain and Obama for the Whitehouse. His limo turns out to be a version of an extended M3. Last edited by Mfive; 03-29-2008 at 03:40 PM.. |
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03-29-2008, 08:09 AM | #2115 | |
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03-29-2008, 08:20 AM | #2116 |
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Dooma absolutely needs to limit his posts to factual ones in view of the statements made by the dealership regarding possible legal action, or even better, have his attorney do the postings to protect him (by this I mean by not allowing anything to be posted or disclosed that would put Dooma at risk of legal action). It also makes sense for the dealership's protection to have him take delivery there, and have any mechanical checks run there, and it would be appropriate for Dooma to be able to have a mechanic of his choice check things out--but the dealership also has the right to have their own mechanic validate any findings. With all the cr*p flying, they need to (and absolutely have every right to!) protect themselves against subsequent accusations of tampering/damage. I don't see anything wrong with this, it is common sense amd most likely on the advice of their attorney.
I am NOT taking anyone's side here, just applying logic. Regardless of the auction business, in the end it is a business transaction and the seller has every right to establish the condition of the merchandise at the time of sale. (note for my own protection--I am not an attorney and this is my personal opinion only) Last edited by erdoran; 03-29-2008 at 12:00 PM.. |
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I wanted to look that up too cuz I remembered reading it as well. Quote:
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03-29-2008, 08:24 AM | #2118 |
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my point exactly..if that indeed happened,why are they stating they have received no payment,it seems that if a deposit was taken off of doomas card,that it would be verifiable.and if that had happened he would have mentioned getting it back or the dealers refusal, IM SORRY BUT IM GONNA HAVE TO CALL SHENANIGANS!
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I cannot believe this is still dragging on, but Dooma's absence is a necessity I suspect. He needs to limit what he's saying right now and just try to get this taken care of. It certainly sounds like the ball is in his court and if the financing is not done w/ the necessary info to the dealer, he needs to get on the financing company's behind.
The dealer isn't likely going to do anything to damage the car... too much at stake. Hell... as someone else said, anything that's wrong w/ the car in the next 6 months is a potential risk for more bad press. Both parties need to get this thing done and move on. The latest attempt by the big gun lawyers on their end seems to me to be an attempt to get past the bad publicity and limit the negative impact this has had. I also suspect the dealership will survive just fine. In a few months, most folks won't even remember this happening. It will pop up periodically when someone makes a post on an automobile forum about a car they see for sale on eBay, but that's about it. Still rooting for you Ken... hang in there. But you really need to get the financing noise taken care of or just throw in the towel and go somewhere else for your M3. edit: Oh.. and to reiterate one more thing... please refrain from contacting the dealer, Fil, or anyone else involved in this. Show your support in this forum, but doing anything else to interfere, even with good intentions, will possibly only hurt Dooma's case. |
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03-29-2008, 09:19 AM | #2125 | |
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In my opinion, the primary objective was to, and continues to be, obtaining an item won legally and without inside knowledge, hacks, run-ups, shill bids, or any other behavior that may be considered a violation of the as-stated auction rules. I believe that, inspite of the intervention of counsel for both sides, the underlying goal remains. Because of legal intervention, time-frames, stated refusals, official responses, negotiations, and the like, progression of this seems likely when representation for both are available to resume, using and pulling from their additional man-power resources. Within the legal world, the times for such are quite often Monday through Friday, 9am to 5pm under whatever time zone representation operates under. Considering the time differences, the negotiation windows between counsels may be reduced. Purely speculatory, perhaps, but far more plausible than aliens having landed, fabricated the whole affair, then returned back onto a ship and vanished. |
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03-29-2008, 09:24 AM | #2126 | |
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Ken has summed up a bunch of lawyer fees that will stick to him even if he decides to bin this M3 and get one elsewhere. That would put him into the "loser" position, paying up a lot and not getting ANYTHING in return. Husker/Fil/VT have a lot of bad press on their asses, so for them it's either a) sell the car (while still making it a hell of a hassle to Ken and trying to squeeze a few hundred $ here or there) and then brag about how customer oriented they are in order to turn the bad press into good press or b) make Ken give up, so they can drag him through the mud and turn the bad press good this way (i.e. by claiming he was a fraudulent bidder who started this libel and slander campaign all on wrong premises). So, yeah, we entered headbutt territory quite some time ago. Sure as hell, I would not like to be in Ken's position. Also, I am pretty sure, once this is done, a careful evaluation of money spent to lawyers and time involved will ring up the price Ken paid to 75k easily. |
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03-29-2008, 09:32 AM | #2127 | |
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I, as a consumer, automotive enthusiast, ebay participant, BMW owner, yada yada, wants to ensure that this comes to a positive conclusion. I am well aware and versed in PR machinery and the like. I want to offer supportive members a possible, plausible, rational explanation. Others may or may not have other motives contrary to what I state. Therefore, it is in my interest for the stated reasons to continue to offer plausible explanations when I feel such is needed to counter other points-of-views. I ask you, what is YOUR affiliation, if any, to any party involved? I'll repost my introduction (post #2079) below for your edification. I am an ACTIVE, CONTRIBUTING member of a BMW forum. Please, I invite you to post your introduction, update your location to something verifyably more localized than "earth", and show your prior postings on other forums as a reciprocal show of good faith. Thanks. Wow. I've spent the better part of 2 days perusing through 94 pages and 2000+ comments, replies, counter replies and such. Ken, you're definitely setting both precedent and class with your pursuit of this. Before I write anything further, I want to say "thanks" for your efforts thus far. I am an owner of a 2004 545i, and a proud contributing member of BMWCCA & E60.net, a forum for current generation BMW 5 series owners (I am NOT an admin or owner of the site, merely a contributing member). My member name there is the same as here - advancedlogic. My ride is here: http://forums.e60.net/index.php?auto...bum&album=1497 I found the link to this posted here: http://forums.e60.net/index.php?showtopic=52412 Judging by your responses and your continued and repeated requests to the members of this community to cease and desist with any harassment, libel, case-related direct contact with the dealership or its entities, employees, and related assets, I opine that I cannot fathom the legal standing or ground with which counsel for the auto group seems to threaten you with for recovery. This is in no way legal advice or counsel (such should only be provided by your retained attorney). You definitely have my support as both a BMW enthusiast and general consumer who partakes in E-Bay auctions often. Continue to state only the facts as presented and only on the advice of your attorney. At the very least, you've shown the power of one, when one is an entire community of persons who detest corporate arrogance and greed. ~Al Last edited by advancedlogic; 03-29-2008 at 10:37 AM.. Reason: Edit to add info |
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Just saying... I hope he continues the fight myself, but then again, my financial future isn't at stake in this game. |
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Where's the money, Ken?
I would like to know who in this forum has bought/leased a car that takes a full week for the transaction to finish while you are paying lawyers fees to make it happen? Again, this is very simple to do: 1. You bring your pre-approved paperwork from your chosen financial company. 2. You sit down with the finance person of the dealer. 3. Dealer finance check it out, make the necessary phone calls, receive the required paperwork/agreement by fax. 4. Congratulates you for the purchase if everything check out. 5. The sales person give you the keys, shows you the basics of the car and there you go. This is done in an hour at the most. In this situation there is a small difference, there are lawyers present. So item #1 above should be something that way before showing up at the dealership had to be squared away 1000%. After all, this started with an unhelpful eBay and a flip-flop dealer in a different state. And if I'm paying a lawyer by the hour to fix this for me, it better be fixed quick. So let's say that this transaction could be done in 3 hours, tops. If the dealer starts doing the flip-flop again then I don't think that 4 more days will make any difference. It is more than evident that the idea is to drain the finances of the buyer in lawyers fees until getting the car is no longer a deal. So again, where's the money Ken? |
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03-29-2008, 10:59 AM | #2133 |
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Theres to much emotion in this thread. Its just plain boring and ridiculous now, have fun arguing and speculating for another 100 pages
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