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03-23-2008, 04:55 PM | #155 |
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> Try contacting some newspapers in their area.
Husker Group is a rather significant advertiser in Lincoln media. I'm betting that the media will decline to pursue the matter rather than risk a revenue stream. Probably worthwhile contacting NE clubs of all enthusiat marques: BMW, Mini, Jag, Corvette, F-body, Miata, Mustang, street rods ... ad naseum. |
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03-23-2008, 04:59 PM | #156 |
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i still cant believe that whole auto blog thing worked. i've submitted things to them before with no luck..i guess they really do go through every tip they get!
im really excited to see how this thing is gonna work out for you Dooma, best of luck! |
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03-23-2008, 05:00 PM | #157 | |
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Your examples of being at the bank and getting more money back is not the same scenario at all. My guess is that 99.99% of the people that are backing the original poster here would also return the extra money to the bank teller as you said you would, but in the ebay auction, people go there looking for a good deal. As others have pointed out, the dealership was banking on a feeding frenzy and it didn't happen. Their auction strategy failed. I would not even give them the benefit of the doubt that they forgot to set a reserve amount. They most likely planned to start the bidding at $60k and never thought for a second that there would be only a single bid. Their strategy failed. Simple as that. If I were at a Sotheby's auction bidding on a painting and the gavel drops and I won the auction, you can be assured that I will be the owner of that painting no matter what. As I am bidding, I guarantee that I will NOT be wondering if the seller is getting less than the painting is worth. All I care about is that the gavel has dropped and that means I now own the painting. It was the seller's responsibility to work out those details before taking the painting to the live auction. Get it? Good. |
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03-23-2008, 05:01 PM | #158 |
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Good Luck Dooma ! You got all the support you need and I think its just a matter of time until this dealership realizes what a hole they got theirselves into !
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03-23-2008, 05:01 PM | #159 |
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Saw this on autoblog and am just posting to say good luck and I hope you get what you won and the dealership what they deserve. I have a feeling come Monday morning you'll hear a very different tune from the dealership, if they have any hope of saving face.
Also I would make sure BMW USA hears about this incident. This dealership's actions are giving the entire company's name and reputation a bad image. It looks like their contact information is on this page http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Content/ContactUs/ but I bet you would get faster results if someone can find the e-mail address of the CEO Tom Purves. edit: From this forum post it looks like his e-mail is tom.purves@bmwusa.com. Be polite and let him know what this dealer's actions are doing to the company. |
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03-23-2008, 05:08 PM | #160 |
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Good luck brother! If all else fails, introduce them to a buddy of mine: HIS name is Charles Norris. The name drop alone will get you that sweet ride.
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Just wanted to lend my voice to the rapidly snowballing crowd. I'm so glad that the nonchalance with which dealers treat deals is finally getting some long-deserved negative attention.
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"Buy It Now" is simply a way for an item's seller to offer a way for an impatient buyer to skip the whole auction process by paying a premium price to simply buy the item outright. The Buy It Now price is a compromise to avoid the gamble of an auction: When you Buy It Now you are paying a premium to ensure you win i.e. to ensure you don't end up in a bidding war that possibly ends up at an even higher price, or get sniped at the last minute, or any of the other possibilities. You do it to avoid the negative outcomes of an auction, but you also give up the possibility of getting it for less as happens when there is no interest. Like what happened here: No interest, very few bids, low price, awesome win situation for the highest bidder. None of this has anything to do with the Reserve price. If the item didn't meet the reserve price IT WOULDN'T HAVE A WINNER AT ALL. HE WON THEREFORE THE RESERVE PRICE WAS MET. |
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I hope you do get a lot of exposure from this. It will be well deserved. Now, back to the stamping of feet. |
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The dealership set up the auction, they obviously knew what they were doing with the price (c.f. the auction's title), the bidding started at $60k, the dealership was watching the auction (and changing numbers at that), he won the auction... but you think he doesn't deserve the car? And on top of that you say he's childish/greedy/immoral? In the words of Lewis Black, "Logic eludes you." Can an admin check this guy's IP to see if it matches for the Nebraska geographic area? Either that or there's a really dumb person in Tennessee... Last edited by yacoub; 03-23-2008 at 06:12 PM.. |
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If you think that you're somehow taking some moral high road, more power to you, but it's really attributed more to your inability to comprehend the mechanics of an auction compounded by your failure to draw proper analogies to assert your point of view. |
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Had it happened to me? I would have said "Hey, I thought that price was kinda low. Oh well, I'm not out anything." And they might have even offered me a discount on the vehicle I was looking for. But, see, I'm a reasonable individual with the capacity to understand that corporations are big groups of people, people that make mistakes. And I don't try and crucify people every time they make one. But, whatever. As for being from the dealership, don't kid yourself, I'm really an actual thinking human being, just like the poor bastard thats probably barely holding on to his job right now. But, remember this moment sometime in the future when you make a mistake and the world crashes in on you. Remember this and recall that what goes around comes around. Remember this and recall that you put some poor slob though hell because he screwed up the reserve price. But, back to being a victim and pitching a fit. Ohh, the humanity! |
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03-23-2008, 05:43 PM | #172 |
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Fil Cantani is not the owner (principal), he's simply the General Manager of
the BMW store. I'm reasonably well connected with both GM and BMW corporate. Getting the name/addr/home phone of the principal should take me less than four [4] phone calls. Interested? You should also insure that Husker's other GMs know that good ole Fil's store is creating unwelcome attention. Nothing like peer humiliation every time the Husker's GMs get together. <g> |
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this is a bit more complicated than it appears:
the dealers contention is that a human mistake was made by not listing a 'reserve' ~ = to the BIN price....correct? do we agree upon this? now, if you go to a bank and a teller gives you too much by 'mistake', or a cash machine is programmed wrong by a human, or by mechanical fault and gives you too much cash, can you keep it? no, they will automatically deduct it from your account...the law allows them to do so... same goes for a legal bid in construction... if the bidder contends that he made an human error (math, etc.), and catches it, he has a right to withdraw that bid within a 3 day time frame...without penalty or bond consequences the system is set-up to allow for honest mistakes, and to not be punished for them... he did nothing 'wrong', he made a 'mistake'... if it was willful, it's another matter... good luck...legally I'm not sure you have a case...but you may be able to 'shame' them into capitulation... |
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These guys have evidently been selling on ebay for a while as per some other posts (I have no idea personally). they know how things work. Whether they made a mistake or not, as was pointed out they had ample opportunity to set a reserve, or EVEN TO SAY SOMETHING BEFORE THE AUCTION ENDED! They didn't. It's their problem. And don't talk about the buyer being a baby. He and the dealer had a contract. He honored his end, why shouldn't they? |
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Phil @ Mar 23rd 2008 3:34PM Here's another contact person regarding this story. Nate Jenkins is the Associated Press contact person in Lincoln, his e-mail is njenkins@ap.org |
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