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Now that I'm really jumping in head first (after much delay) I'll put the Pagids in, getting lines installed, fluid changed, on OEM 18's w/ PS2's until I get bumped up then I'll be making swap to Rcompounds for dry days. I'm fully aware that for my current skill level these brakes will be adequate enough w/ the minor upgrades (still in need of brake ducts though IMO) Quote:
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04-27-2011, 12:21 AM | #156 |
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Im with OP on this one. Once you start going fast you need good breaks. People that are slow on the track are the drivers that use engine to slow down the car 1/4mile before a turn. PLus you have to take in to consideration that M3 is heavy car and not a hatchback civic that can run on eom breaks most of the day at the track.
The common sense should kick in which tells you that eom breaks are crap is when you see one piston break calipers. The only way eom breaks would survive if you sprayed them with liquid nitrogen at every corner or other liquid gas to cool them down. Ive been to Summit point for many years and i have seen great drivers cook eom breaks with little effort. |
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04-27-2011, 12:07 PM | #157 | |
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04-27-2011, 01:36 PM | #158 | |
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In many race cars (e.g. an F1) a careless driver can cook brakes, tires, engine, gearbox at will. Managing them is a part of the skill/art. |
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04-27-2011, 01:58 PM | #159 |
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Certainly there are brake systems that have higher limits than the OE brakes. It is obviously easier to exceed the limit of anything, when compared to something possessing a higher limit. If considering brakes, good driver, novice, or someone in between, makes no difference, as the driver doesn’t change the mechanical limit. A very good driver can more effectively utilize the greater capacity of bigger brakes. That same driver, if so inclined, can ignore the lower limits of the OE system, which could result in the kind of meltdown shown above. IMO, that seems to indicate a certain immaturity as a driver, since ego is winning the conflict with intelligence. It takes nothing either from the driver’s ability, or the capacity of the brakes. Each is what it is.
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04-27-2011, 02:28 PM | #160 | |
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Sure when you have a thousands of $$ spent on brakes, the way to kill them is ride them none stop as you hold the gas pedal down. But when you are used to quality racing brakes and you jump on a car with oem brakes, the old driving habits are still there, thus oem brakes cant candle the demand and torture that the racing brakes have provided you with time after time. I want to see your so called good driver have same exact lap times with oem brakes as he did with $10k brakes. Guess what, it will never happen. I'll bet, Michael Schumacher could win any F1 race with brakes from a 1975 Mustang installed on his F1 race car. He is a very very good driver, so it shouldnt be a problem for him.. right? Last edited by KGB7; 04-27-2011 at 02:44 PM.. |
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04-29-2011, 05:54 PM | #163 | |
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If you only extract what the car can deliver with out killing it, then you going slow. My dog can drive the car a round the track at 5mph with out killing it, but she wont be setting any new records any time soon. But when you start pushing the car past its limit as you try to get better lap time, shit will start breaking. So you have two choices; become captain slow but you wont kill anything, or go fast till the wheels fall off. Option three, you upgrade to better hardware that was designed to withstand the beating lap after lap. p.s. Be sure you call every F1 team and tell them they need to stop dumping money in to their brake systems and all the R&D behind it. |
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04-30-2011, 12:26 AM | #164 | |
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04-30-2011, 12:32 AM | #165 |
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With stock OEM brakes? Im sure he would if he drives at posted State speed limit.
Honestly, why do you think race cars have brakes systems that are worth half the price of a stock M3?? Please tell me why they dont use PepBoys brakes instead?? |
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05-05-2011, 04:11 AM | #166 | |
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05-24-2011, 09:21 AM | #167 |
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I have to agree with the OP. I have a Z4M Coupe which I spend a lot of time on the Nurburgring. Before I installed a set of Stoptechs, I had brake failure after 3 hard laps at Breidsheid and put the car into the concrete retaining wall at the bridge doing 16K Euro in damage. If I had a descent set of brakes, the car would be undamaged. BMW brakes suck.
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05-24-2011, 09:37 AM | #168 |
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Dude, chill. All @JAJ saying is if you're a good driver, you won't cook your brakes. He is not saying you will brake lap records with stock brakes. Just brake a little easy/early whatever... At the end HPDEs are for fun, not for racing..
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