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For a S/C + suspension + BBK + wheels an M3 owner needs to shell out $26k. That's a minimum. Yes, such an M3 will be superior, but it's not cheap by any means.
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It's not 26k for a supercharger, brake kit and aftermarket coilovers. The wheels are forged... You don't have to replace them. You also do not need to replace the brakes. Pads, lines and fluid are more than enough for 99% of the people on this forum. VF620 14k... installed http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=732612 ST-40: 3,500... You don't need anything more than that. You don't race in Grand-am. http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=513130 KW V3: 2,500 http://www.ecstuning.com/Flyer-E90_M3/ES2092403/ Total: $20,000 Where are you getting the extra $6,000 at? Driving lessons to use all the bullshit I listed to their maximum capability? Most of the people here can't even push their stock M3 to it's limit on the track. |
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08-30-2012, 10:17 AM | #158 | |
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Intercooled S/C $15k Suspension $3k (KW V3 but you also need camber plates at the very least) Track wheels+tires $2k BBK F+R $6k Stock M3 brakes with upgraded pads will be ok for mid-speed tracks, but not on tracks like Spa which are very heavy on the brakes! But the sky's the limit, really. Just have a look at the track builds in the sponsor's showcase subforum. The amount of modding for a proper track build is not so different for the M3 vs 335i. Although I agree that out of the box the M3 is better suited for the track. N54 needs a huge amount of cooling. Some prefer NA over FI on a track. Current tunes for the N54 allow for very linear throttle response though. But don't forget about the higher running costs for the M3. All replacement parts have the //M tax written all over them. Hmm, what were we arguing about again?
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08-30-2012, 11:09 AM | #160 | |
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Everyone just give it up... HPF S54 destroys all.
But seriously, I have a E46 M3 and a E92 328, my neighbor has a E92 M3 and there are about 5 335s within a 3 block radius. One is fully modded and others have mods, but at the end of the day, its just another 3 series. They are all over the road. Yes they can be made fast for reasonable money, but it will never be an ///M. |
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2. All that reving to 8,000+rpms, takes its toll on the motor, crank, and main bearings of the engine. Do a search on any E46/90 M3 forum.
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08-30-2012, 11:28 AM | #163 | |
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335I: 3:10 E90 M3: 3:05 Their conclusion: If the 335I had come with a limited slip diff, instead of an open diff, the times would have been equal. So as long as you are keeping both cars stock, all you would need in the 335I is an LSD.
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Anyone who spends time in both cars know they are VERY different from the factory. Yes, a 335 can be modded... as can any car. If saving $$ is important or if you can't swing an M3, the 335 is great. Unless someone has a real mod fetish, I would much prefer to buy a stock M3 than a 335 and mod it even if the 335 can be modded to be a little faster. If you build a 335 into an M3, the cost of doing so would put you very close to a stock M3 but with the M3 you actually still have warranty . There is nothing special about the 335 other than mod capability IMO. You could get an STi or Evo and do the exact same thing (but likely with better capability ). The M3 is a different car and in a higher price class so you would expect that but anyone who claims the S65 is not a special engine and adds a ton to the car is either crazy, blind with fanboyism, or has never really experienced one. I'm not a blind M3 fan (I don't even own an E92 M3 any longer) but I absolutely do appreciate the quality of the car and it is very different than a 335.
If I had the choice of a modded 335 that is faster in a straight line (and capable on the track) or a stock M3 for the same price, I would pick the M3 hands down. It isn't badge related and it isn't status related. It is the difference between a balanced, purpose built car that feels and acts like a sports car with a race inspired engine with a flat torque curve with tons of torque to the wheels especially at the track (and any experienced track rat will understand the benefit of that over FI) versus a frankenstein 335 that is bolted and pieced together. But, as others have said, this is played out and tired. If you own a 335, be happy and stop worrying about the M3. If you own an M3, don't argue with the 335 guys trying to prove their car is as good or better.
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He's an M3 owner, with enough Ca$h to buy the vehicle instead of my 335I, so he should at least know the difference between his engine code, and the one for a motorcycle.
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An achievement of this calibre is only exceeded by the string of successes claimed by the fourth BMW Group award-winner in 2012. For the fifth time in a row, the V8 engine of the BMW M3 high-performance sports car provides the measure of all things in the 3.0-litre to 4.0-litre displacement class. The BMW S65 is a V8 DOHC piston engine which replaced the (straight-6) S54 and was produced from 2007–present (as of August 2012). Derived from the BMW S85 V10 engine used in the M5/M6, it shares the same basic architecture and aluminium construction. It was introduced in the E92 M3 and was chosen as International Engine of the Year for the 3.0 to 4.0 L category in 2008, 2009, 2010,[1] 2011, and 2012. Dear god man, it's called reading.
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hey where is that one video of the PP c63 stomping that 335i in on the race track from a roll?
It's actually that same 335 posted in this thread, poor guy dumped all that money into a 335 and lost to a stock car. lmao |
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Aren't we all in the same family and can't we all just get along? Well, you can tell all of the 335 owners the 135 with the same bolt-ons and tune will beat the 335 in the 1/4 and run circles around it on the track. The M3 is the ultimate driving machine, and yes some of us cannot afford it right now due to other priorities in life. That said, an M3 will be in my garage as soon as I am done paying $40K for my daughter's annual tuition
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Lets be honest how many of you go to the track more than a few times a year. For those that go often get the m3 an never look back.
For 90% of m3 owners, the handling argument makes no sense, when 335 owners say there car is faster, tey are talking about straight line speed, which lets be honest a slighty tuned 335 has that advantage. As for sound, I completely agree that the m3 sounds better, but for a city driven car, and races from light to light, the n54 beats the s65, on the track the s65 beats the n54. /thread |
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Even forgetting the track argument, the 335i is a nice car but I'd far rather drive an M3 as my daily than a 335. I can't think why anyone wouldn't, but it's cool that you apparently do and I'm glad you enjoy your car |
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My car is a stock 335i so many may wish to stop reading this post now....
As I read through this thread I kept remembering back to when I was married but without the three kids. Then my passion was hunting and fishing. I would fish regional bass tourneys whenever I could and read websites on boats and (gasp) mods done to make them faster. This thread reads like all of those as well...people saying they bought the right and better boat.... (my Javelin is better than your Stratos....yeah? My Triton is better than your Javelin and because I have the proper pitch and angles on my SS prop my 125hsp will wipe the floor with your 150). It all comes down to justification for our individual purchases. I could have paid for an M3 instead of a 335 and if I were track oriented I may have done so....I like the M3 styling better. Notice I wrote "I" so that does not mean the styling is better, just better to my eyes. Again "I" think that the 335 and M3 are very different cars. Stock...both cars are fast. Modded both get way faster. In the end though, very different cars. Basically buy what you want and love it everyday because we are all lucky not to be driving horse carts in some other God forsaken wasteland. I wanted to drive something everyday as I run around selling "high quality dental goods" that put a smile on my face. My car does that for me. That is enough.....mods....maybe a chip in the future for a little extra thrill....but for me....not to impress anyone else. |
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