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^ I remember that time well.
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"It has evolved away from the ultimate soulful sports coupe/sedan into a robotic muscle car." Ouch...
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[QUOTE=Eau Rouge;17027000]Great, if you're into two pedal Porsches, but I'd prefer a 997.2 with three pedals.
Or, you could get the current top-of-the-911 range available with MT, the 991 GTS. Better street car than GT3, more power than "S." Delicious.. |
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12-03-2014, 08:41 PM | #158 | |
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LOL…seriously, about the only thing less objective than an autobild internet poll is an M4 Board poll!
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Obviously, it is people like you that give REAL BMW enthusiasts a bad name for not liking everything about the BRAND NEW MODEL. IT HAS TURBOS, AND COMES WITH ITS OWN PIPED-IN SOUNDTRACK! HOW CAN YOU NOT LIKE IT! IT HAS BEEN TURNED UP TO 11. M3+1 = M4. (Cue tiny Stonehenge) Clearly all of the magazine pundits are idiots and trolls as well, despite that fact the legend of ///M (for the road) was in large part based on their universal praise, etc., etc... |
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Haven't driven the new M3/4 dealer wanted me to basically buy the car before I could test drive, F that I'll wait till there sitting on lots in a few months.
However first massive gripe is the horrible ass sound of the damn thing, it reminded me of some honda civic with a 5" fart can on it. I think I'll be waiting for the new Z06
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12-03-2014, 09:19 PM | #161 |
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I'm trying to look at the F8x M3/4 from an unbiased point of view.....it's not all bad reviews and I'm trying to be open minded about BMW in general. There seems to be plenty of good reviews as well. Seems the bad tidbits are highlighted here and the good reviews are on the F8x forum. ...I suppose that's natural but I try to have an open mind. Don't get me wrong, I love my E92 and I plan to keep it.
As mentioned several times, this is a british publication and a lot of these cars are out of the M's league....not to mention I could care less about how great it is in the rain. I didn't buy a performance car for how great it is in the rain. In the end, yes, I agree it lacks the soul that's present in previous M3's but as mentioned a million times, the previous M's owners always say this when the new one comes out. I had an E46 when the E9x came out and everyday when I visited the E46 forums, the reaction to the E9x were generally negative....even if the new one is faster. Now I'm seeing this deja-vu all over again. Yes, I think the exhaust note on the F8x sucks, yes I think they lost a little character/soul, yes I think my E92 is more of a raw sports car....but it doesn't mean it's all bad for the F8x and it doesn't mean all reviews are bad.
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Putting everythin else aside. What's the point of having a fast car if when you hit the gas it sounds like shit . IMO a good sounding motor and performance go hand and glove. |
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I'm waiting to see if any aftermarket company comes out with anything that truly helps the sound of the F8x. It's disheartening to know there are numerous ones out now and they all don't sound as good as a screaming V8. The MPerformance and/or Akra doesn't sound bad though....I can live with those.
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The way I look at it is, there are a lot of great reviews, but when it's compared next to other great cars under the same conditions. No one expected the F8x to win, but most expected it to do better.
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The guys here that are pretending to be experts, you are all just magazine readers. Make up your own opinion and go test drive it, rather than sit here and say well I read that the sound is fake, or the EPS doesn't feel that great. Go bloody drive it. If you still hate it, fine. At least you got to experience it yourself. For every bad review, I can post a good one, so what does that really say?
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I can sit here with certainty and say that during every test drive ive ever done, multiple things have been different than my expectations. I never would have known these things without driving the car. for the life of me I do not understand having a strong opinion about the driving characteristics of something you haven't driven. hell, I like the new generation of all of these cars, I know that because I have driven them. I think the new 991 is better than the 997, and ive driven both a lot. that doesn't mean im right, but I feel confident with my opinion because I have driven them both and experienced them. anyone who thinks any m3 is a POS or sucks, is missing the point.
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As for finding a good review for every bad review, ok that says nothing, but the problem with the F8x is that unlike every previous generation of M3, there's a bad review for every good review and that says A LOT!! |
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Look at this (short) review of the E92 by Steve Sutcliffe. He just called our beloved car soft and lacking personality compared to the E46... Does that mean we agree? Obviously not since we both are driving Sparkling Graphite E92 M3's. P.S. Ah still love the sound of the S65
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As for the E92 review from Sutcliffe, well it's clear that he loves the car, that I completly understand. As for the softness comment, I gotta say that I also agree with him on this, the car felt too soft for me too, that's why I ordered stiffer spring the first month I received the car. As for it having a bit less personnality then the E46, I can't comment on this because I've never driven one, but what was apparent for me was that the stock exhaust was just too tame for my liking, also something that I took care of the first month of ownership. So overhall I'd say that his review seemed pretty spot on. I can understand that you loved the F8x on your test drive, as a daily driver the torque must be great, so as a tuned 335. But when you buy a car like this because you want a special car for those special moment where you just want to have fun driving, I don't think the F8x fits the bill as much as the previous M3s did when they came out! |
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but, I find it confusing that you could say both of these things and think that this makes sense logically on one hand, you say you cant comment on the e46 because you haven't driven one (imo, perfectly reasonable comment to make). on the other hand, you say that the f8x isn't as special as prior m cars, yet you haven't driven one....
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On the other side, I don't see anything wrong in commenting on what I think of the F8x, it's a car that I'm starting to know pretty well. Even though I have'nt driven it, I have read and saw a ton of reviews(because I originaly thought it was going to replace my E92), and after a while you see a lot of similarities in the comments which is enough for me to forge myself an opinion, not a definitive one but an opinion nonetheless. And BTW, I did'nt say "...the F8x does'nt fit the bill...", I said "...I think the f8x does'nt fit the bill...", there's a BIG difference! |
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Exactly. the point is that there is no overwhelming consensus, which means the level of scrutiny has to be higher. With a Porsche 991, I know I can buy that car without driving it and be 100% confident based upon credible reviewers that I trust and the fact that an overwhelming consensus is reached.
At a minimum, I would need to drive a new car in the twistys that I ordinarily drive to really compare. I've taken a few loaners on these same drives and what seems fine in a typical test drive around the dealership, once you start attacking driver's roads, the flaws become hugely apparent when there are significant lateral forces, elevation changes, off camber turns, decreasing/increasing radius turns, uphill and downhill stretches with turns. (Guess that is the beauty of living in a seismically active area with some of the best driving roads in the country!). Even something as engine/drivetrain lash/braking is really important (to me) to the feel of the car that is actually hard to achieve on a track or HDPE and my driving in the twistys is 90% of my pleasure driving with the car (vs the track). Better yet, I'd love to drive the new car at the ///M school, but again it sounds like the MDM is very intrusive and less forgiving than the Euro MDM on the E90, which allows some decent drift and tail out action. No dealership "test drive" will adequately answer my questions, so I have to rely on consensus opinion. The Porsche 991, Stingray, Cayman, E90M3, and even Ford Fiesta are all examples where at least 80%-90%+ consensus comparisons tests wins would make me comfortable buying the car with just a dealership test drive. In many cases, such as the Boss L/S, ZR-1, GT3, GT350, etc, you won't get a test drive period, let alone one that is adequate. Quote:
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Listen, let's just put it this way, M3 enthusiasts, no matter which generation, are very resistant to change.
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