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If you refer to the link South posted you can see that a major part of the unibody of the M3 is different. I've also heard rumors that it has more spot welding for increased rigidity as well.
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As other have said, the lack of 6MT is disappointing to say the least. I guess all we can do it wait and keep our fingers crossed.
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Getting way off topic but what are the specs, 335i vs. M3. Isn't that due to the suspension, which is totally different between the cars?
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10-25-2010, 04:07 AM | #159 |
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As for the M3 I would say 450 PS will be the ceiling for the road car and they will probably add to that later , as the GTS has shown that a market exists for more track orientated edition of the car and the competition package is proving popular that BMW M are looking to enhance the M3 experience with the F32 and emulate a series of extreme variants like Porsche do with the 911 and to capitalize in it's DTM return.
Although the current M3 is not finished yet. It could also mean a CSL could return but first expect some significant reductions with the road going M3 - The first out of the stable in 2014. Initially available in Coupe , then Cabrio format. And here is when it gets interesting depending on your point of view. With the Sedan expected to be not replaced. BMW are considering the 3er Gran Turismo. Before the hatred begins. 3er GT is nothing like the 5er GT in form. It is lower and sleeker although uses the extended structure that will be found on the F30 3er Li for the Chinese market. Think of the 3er GT as a Concept CS shrunk for the Premium Entry segment (3er). There will not be a M5 GT. |
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If they get rid of manual on M3's Im selling all my bmws and moving to mercedes.
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i just cant seem to grasp merc having the shitter, i mean shifter or gear selector on the steering wheel lever where u are used to pulling on to get wipers to turn on.....soo odd to me, and it feels funny having nothing to rest ur right hand on....30-40 years ago, the shifter was on the steering column on old cars, then they moved it to the center, and now back...we did a full circle here...go figure
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I make this assumption based on piston speed: The current M3 V8 is 21.1 meters per second. The N55 is similar at 20.9 m/s despite the lower rpm. The RS4 is the the highest piston speed I'm aware of in a production car- 25.5 m/s. If BMW went with this configuration and the next M3 matched that speed it would top out at about 7300 rpm. Given that turbo pistons must be heavier I find that rpm somewhat unlikely- as others have said 7000 rpm will be a struggle, and a redline over 7300 would be effectively impossible... Not sure how M3 fans would react to one of (the?) lowest redline in the car's history...?
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If there is talks about a increase in power later after the first cycle comes out and also the possibility of a CSL it would suck for the guys who buy the car when it first comes out only to see a year later a CSL or more HP car is revealed. BMW they know how to get you dont they lol. Def looking forward to reading the updated info as its released.
Thanks Scott for keeping us all updated.
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I think people pretend like the people driving the cars on the track are not a factor, which blows my mind. I will go one better, if we talk tuned 335i, then you have to compare it to a tuned ///M. To do otherwise is like saying a tuned 911 that keeps up with or is faster than a stock GT3 means that Porsche screwed up and the GT3 is not that far ahead of a regular 911. Really? Cheers, e46e92
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12-16-2010, 11:38 AM | #169 |
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inline 6 with 3 turboes just sounds insane and a bit stupid for reliability purposes
no MT is a deal breaker
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As for the lowest max RPM in the car's history so far - I think the US S52 had fuel shut off at 7200 RPM. I could be remembering wrong though. |
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The other issue that would tend to limit RPM is that it will be almost impossible to make good power at 7000+ rpms due to the bore/stroke ratio. The valves are in the bore, and thus this defines the amount of air that can get into the cylinders. The stroke defines the volume that must be filled, and the rpm sets the time available- the higher the rpm the shorter the time. Because of this, high RPM motors tend to have bore/stoke ratios greater than 1 in order to fill their cylinders: Formula 1: 2.47 M3: 1.22 N55: .94 Next M3? (S55?): .80 This suggests that even with an excellent intake an head, peak power above 6850 rpm is borderline impossible, and that's before we account for turbo-charging which moves peak power further downwards. Perhaps the next generation of Valvetronic or RPM variable boost might increase this (we can hope), but with today's technology we could expect power to be falling off by 7000, meaning the investment required to rev beyond 7250 would be pretty pointless. All this plus the fact that it's a forced induction motor all suggests that the motor described here would be high torque, lower revs, unable to maintain peak power past 7000. I'd put my money on peak power at around 6600, and as others have said not much point revving beyond 7000.
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They can slap a ///M badge on it, but it simply won't be one. Cheers, e46e92
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