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Also I am not delusional about our X5 being an M car even though there's M plastered everywhere.
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No offense to any m performance owners but there is a huge difference between full on M cars and m performance cars. |
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However given the number of enthusiasts, especially outside the BMW community, who agree with me; I'd say my logic is sound. I certainly do not aspire to own an M240, but the M2 on the other hand...
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Price and products speaks itself so cut the BS.
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Cut the BS? Some of you can remain delusional. Go for it buy into the BS marketing.
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As an owner of F80 M3 and 2020 X3 M40i- the M performance cars are NOT real M cars. This whole branding thing by BMW is idiotic.
So M340i and M3 are just going to be badged M now - im confused? |
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I don't get all the criticism of m cars, is it hate because people can't afford them or they just talk shit just because. M cars were and are always top of the model line, and it will stay that way no many how many people scream otherwise. I really like all bmw's for their own purpose. There is no price logic, and yes most people won't use them on the track etc...so will 99.9% of super cars will never see a track yet owners of boxter don't scream that GT2 RS is a crap car. Have common sense and grow a pair, no need to shit on people's choices if you don't agree with them. Unless that "M" sticker made you feel so much better about yourself that you can't hold it in
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What OP meant is that in sales and production counts Anything with M sticker will be counted as an M car
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Marketing took over a long long time ago, first it was the option of a non-MT to not offering MTs in nearly all modern Ms. Then the trucks came and took over. Then turbos took over. These are not track cars used for professional racing where the speed of a DCT is required, so they should not offer any Ms unless they are an MT, and if you can't drive an MT, you shouldn't have an M. but alas, its all about market share not about a product for enthusiast. BMWs were not about a luxury product, they were about a sports oriented car company. ....look the wars have just begun, a next gen M3 will be the poor mans M3 because of the two M3 models that are being offered above them..u know how its going to be, my M3CS has more power than your pity little "regular" M3 so piss off!!! just pure bs madness as if a car the size and weight of an M3 is a track duty car. Its silly and funny if it wasn't so sad. People argue that SAVs are Ms, thats the biggest joke ever, and then to make it more fun, BMW offers Competition versions of "M" trucks and people will argue to their blue in the face that since BMW calls is an X5M Competition, for example, its a real M!!! We all need 600hp to haul a crap around or be an uber for the soccer club!!! A monster truck is a real M!!!!???!!!! Come on, Marketing 101. But guess what, if someone wants to buy it and feel good thinking they are driving an M because of what the true history of M was and made the letter stand for, so be it, it doesn't affect my life in one bit. but when those insecure people crap on something because they think it diminishes their purchase, I have to say BS and get over yourself and your ego. Its this attitude that makes so many people have disdain for the brand, and here you have brand owner vs brand owner because some can't fathom the fact that they are buying a marketing M, not a car derived from motorsport.
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I try to stay humble and take them down on the track, nothing feels better than cleaning up a shoddy driver in a $100k car they bought to be "the best".
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Who fucking cares about a badge. I sure as hell don’t have time to give a fuck. A real enthusiast knows what’s under the hood and in the wheel arches. Those people are the ones giving the thumbs up, talking at gas stations, cars and coffee, track events, etc. Let them brand away. Posers are everywhere
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I don't get it. Is this for sales metrics (don't care) or actual badging (care)?
A previous poster asked is a M340 going to be badged M3? Is that the case? That's silly, but the naming does track Mercedes. C43 (Amg enhanced engine) and S63 (handcrafted AMG). Different classes, both AMG, but one is and one isn't. You can only tell if your read details in marketing material. I guess BMW is going that way. Uninitiated won't notice things missing like M diff, cross bolted main bearing caps, closed deck cylinder heads, bigger turbos, cross bank exhaust manifold, more oil, more oil pickups, true super stiff M chassis, track days WOT and oil temp staying at 250, 6 piston calipers, well, you get the point. It will just irritate those who do. |
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If I were forced to chose there's an obvious answer as I'm primarily a performance oriented driver. For some like me, though, I don't want what the next guy can go buy, so I typically build my own setups on base platforms and in general they perform much better than any manufacturer's offering. It's not always a money thing like most of the ignorante's are suggesting, some spend far more building a base car than buying the "built" car. I do often get a kick out of the ignorant BMW owners at the track, especially, they're not ready for a track prepped non-M BMW
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I mean, if you want to impress someone with a performance car, get a 997.2 GT3 RS. M3 isn't even considered a sports car these days. Why settle for M3, there are far better drivers car, yes they cost more, but we know these real M drivers all have unlimited sums of money so why are these grown men here crying about dilution.
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I say reasonably well because most M cars which are tracked vary to some extent from stock: brake pads, fluid, camber plates, track tires all seem to be almost mandatory for track duty. For example, while I usually leave the track pads on the car from April to November, there is a significant downgrade in daily driveability as a result (that noise, the clunking etc). No stock M car is truly suitable for real track duty, and I’m including in this category those equipped with carbon ceramic brakes as well. (Unless you really are ok with a $9,000 replacement cost I guess). So looking at it this way, “real” M cars have always been designed for the dual duty with certain limitations. Then again, something like an M5 is very rarely seen at the track, as it’s too big and heavy really, and hard on the consumables. And what to make of the MSUVs? Let’s not get there... Anyway I don’t really care what they call the cars. I buy them 100% for the capabilities and not the lore or status. Well, 99% maybe.
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You guys are all missing the actual discussion point. The only real M cars are the ones that have manual transmissions.
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M2 M3 M4 M5 M8 M235i/M240i M340i M440i M550i M760i M850i 230i 330i 430i 530i/540i 740i/750i 840i Different categories in my eyes regardless of performance margins between full M and variant models.
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