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08-08-2010, 02:39 AM | #133 | |
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What you have is a Grand Tourer which is remarkably close to the handling of the M3 yet does so without compromising any of it's grand touring ability. So in my opinion it's not a failure at all, just a different approach. P.S. If there is one single failure it's the weight, 4000lbs is far too much for a true sportscar but all things considered I think it makes Audi's achievement to get so close to the M3 all the more impressive, also no one can deny that if Audi had given the RS5 a similar weight to the M3 that it would have been not only a better car overall but would have been quicker at everthing. |
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08-08-2010, 02:58 AM | #134 |
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My philosophy on these comparisons is take the very base car available on which these versions are based, compare them, and the differences you see there are pretty much what translates over to these versions.
So for the US market, compare a "stripper" 328i to a "stripper" A4 to a "stripper" CTS. All three are nice, but very different approaches to the same challenge. Basically, you'll notice that the A4 is torquey but nose heavy and tends to understeer a lot, the CTS is heavy and you can feel it shifting its heft around and doesn't have a fluidity to its controls and inputs, but it has good power. The 328 while feeling less peppy as the other two, feels lighter on its feet and has more immediate turn in and seems very well balanced during cornering. Another theory: it's late and I have no idea what the hell I'm talking about. |
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08-08-2010, 09:31 PM | #140 |
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He's Australian, and pretty much all other English speaking nations aside from us call them "coupay" instead of "coup." And of course a sedan is a saloon, and the boot is the trunk and the hood is the vert top and the bonnet is the hood, and tire is tyre and color is colour and so on and so forth.
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08-09-2010, 02:36 AM | #141 | ||
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Did you even bother to read my post fully or did you just disagree with it because I was the one that had posted. Please re-read this again. Quote:
But as you rightly stated, if the RS5 was at this kind of weight it would indeed have been superior to the M3, but as it isn't and it actually weighs close on 400lbs more I think even you have to admit that as such it's a heck of an achievement. In fact another failing of Audi was to fit the wrong engine, what the RS5 needed was a turbo or supercharged unit instead, then it's awd system could have easily coped with what ever amount of torque Audi seen fit to give the engine and it would have been even further from trying to mimic the M3. Only my opinion but there you go. |
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08-09-2010, 10:25 AM | #143 | |
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but i think it is impossible for audi to achieve the m3 weight, event if they take out the awd. the m3 is significantly lighter than competitor such as isf, c63 amg, rs4, rs5. it looked like bmw put lot of effort into the m3 to keep it at 3600lbs and still meet crash test standard and fit 4 real adults with a real trunk. Something the main competitors haven't been able to do so far. anyway, i saw a black s5 with some kind of exaust the other day. that thing is gorgeous and sounds nice. now I want to buy one. LOL |
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08-09-2010, 01:17 PM | #145 | |
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"If the M3 had a better power to weight ration it would be faster", uhhh... OK, brilliant.
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08-09-2010, 05:01 PM | #146 | |
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When the DSG version gets released you are looking at what I believe is a better car than both the RS5 and M3. |
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08-09-2010, 05:03 PM | #147 | |
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08-09-2010, 05:25 PM | #148 | |
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Also, recall your history better. I've apologized to many on this forum, both for being rude and for being wrong. I just quickly move along afterwards. Let's have a lot more discussion on how car X with substantial FI software tuning can/will best cay Y completely stock... Ugh.
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08-09-2010, 05:26 PM | #149 | |
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http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evoc...udi_tt_rs.html http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evoc...udi_tt_rs.html Last edited by erio; 08-09-2010 at 05:33 PM.. |
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08-09-2010, 08:20 PM | #150 |
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My M3
Love mine. had an SRT8 300C rode like S%IT. Had a Z06 fast in the corners but my M3 does the same for a little less. Waiting on my New M5(whenever the alocation is available):
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08-10-2010, 01:48 AM | #151 | |
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The problem is that both the TT and RS5 can't be driven like you would an M3, do so and both will understeer but learn the slow in fast out approach and they are credibly quick machines. |
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08-10-2010, 08:02 AM | #153 | |
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I appreciate your enthusiasm for Audi but the fact is that Audi has had three years to build a car that is better or at least as good as an m3. From initial tests, the RS5 is not even as good as an m3 and is also more expensive. However, considering technology has progressed in the last three years, I would only assume that some of the parts used in the RS5 may be a bit more refined than the ones in the m3 (i.e., DCT in Auto mode). I do agree with your statement that the Audi is more of a GT car but I don't believe that was Audi's intention. I believe Audi made a failed attempt to dethrone the e9X m3 and because of this failure, the RS5 has been relegated as a GT car. The next m3 will be out next year and while I will truly miss the V8, I am sure that BMW ///M will craft another engineering marvel that will in turn, place Audi even further behind the curve. And if the rumor is true about the next BMW supercar, then the R8 will be put to bed as well! Cheers! -SZ |
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08-10-2010, 08:12 AM | #154 | |
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That M may be faster, but it will not mid-engine, it will be front engine. It will be the 918 Spyder "rival". It will be a carbon fiber hardtop roadster with 450 to 600 HP. |
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