evo: New M3 is a "disappointment"

[991brothers]

Originally Posted by Ezio

do i think it sound bad? no, but do i love it ? not really.

again IMO compared to a full exhuast E92 M3 with the same system. the E92 is a WAYYY better.

Thats the thing, I wont say which sounds better til I hear both in person. I want to meet up with my friend who has the Eisenmann race with challenge xpipe and Ill most likely have the eisenmann or MPE, and will do comparison videos.

At the same time theyre both SO different. If you were to ask me right now whats my favorite 6 cylinder sound, its the 991 GT3. V8 sound will have to go to my friend who took me around in his 458 with a novitec exhaust lol

Originally Posted by Ezio

Where are they going to use it at? the street

I use to know a guy who owned a twin turbo 700HP 350z. He was into that street racing thing. Had a lot of fun highway races . So there is a place and time for 800+HP. but most people who just want a fun Daily driver, its to much.

They cant enjoy it on the streets . Sometimes they go to "mexico" lol.

Thats who I am. I just want a car thats fast enought that I dont have to mod like crazy

[Wolfinwolfsclothing]

The new M3/4 in any recent review pretty much sum them up as dissapointments. It doesnt help when they are placed in a comparo where they are far out of their league. They are not the same calibre of cars as most of those here.
They are good in their own segment and not so compared to anything else outside it.

It is odd to hear them say how there is a lack of body control, that the car feels heavy and the steering is vague (not surprising there thats a BMW thing).

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by NavidM3E92

Thats the thing, I wont say which sounds better til I hear both in person. I want to meet up with my friend who has the Eisenmann race with challenge xpipe and Ill most likely have the eisenmann or MPE, and will do comparison videos.

At the same time theyre both SO different. If you were to ask me right now whats my favorite 6 cylinder sound, its the 991 GT3. V8 sound will have to to my friend who took me around in his 458 with a novitec exhaust lol




They cant enjoy it on the streets . Sometimes they go to "mexico" lol.

Thats who I am. I just want a car thats fast enought that I dont have to mod like crazy

IMO the 911s in general have a very good 6 cylinder sound. the GT3 sound is one of the best without a doubt. that engine is truly something special.

[991brothers]

Originally Posted by Ezio

IMO the 911s in general have a very good 6 cylinder sound. the GT3 sound is one of the best without a doubt. that engine is truly something special.

Thats the only other car that I see myself in, in like 3 years.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by Ezio

the next gen RS5 is pretty dam far away. There might not even be one also. they might do a RS4 this time around.

There is also talk of a small displacement V8 twin turbo coming for the RS4/5. I remember hearing somewhere that audi said " if AMG can do it, so can we" talking about keeping a V8.

Probably not that far I think, the next gen A4/A5(B9) was supposedly due to be unveiled in the past months but a chief at Audi decided he wanted to perfect it more before releasing it so they decided to continue the production of the B8 for one more year. Then the B9 A4 has been spotted testing a couple of weeks ago with camoufflage so it should be unveile soon, will arrive in show room a couple of months later and most likely the RS model a year later. I'd say two years from now we should see the B9 RS4/RS5 in show rooms.

As for a V8TT for the B9 RS cars, the first rumor was that it was going to get a version of the 4.0T found in the S6/S7, RS6/RS7 and S8 but since then it's been said that audi has decided to build a new 3.0L twin turbo 6cyl instead, a modified version of the supercharged 3.0T found in S4/A6/A7/SQ5 I think.

I'd be very happy if they decide to go with the V8 but I'm pretty sure that's not going to happen!

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

Probably not that far I think, the next gen A4/A5(B9) was supposedly due to be unveiled in the past months but a chief at Audi decided he wanted to perfect it more before releasing it so they decided to continue the production of the B8 for one more year. Then the B9 A4 has been spotted testing a couple of weeks ago with camoufflage so it should be unveile soon, will arrive in show room a couple of months later and most likely the RS model a year later. I'd say two years from now we should see the B9 RS4/RS5 in show rooms.

As for a V8TT for the B9 RS cars, the first rumor was that it was going to get a version of the 4.0T found in the S6/S7, RS6/RS7 and S8 but since then it's been said that audi has decided to build a new 3.0L twin turbo 6cyl instead, a modified version of the supercharged 3.0T found in S4/A6/A7/SQ5 I think.

I'd be very happy if they decide to go with the V8 but I'm pretty sure that's not going to happen!

two years to me is far away

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by NavidM3E92

Thats the thing, I wont say which sounds better til I hear both in person. I want to meet up with my friend who has the Eisenmann race with challenge xpipe and Ill most likely have the eisenmann or MPE, and will do comparison videos.

Don't make yourself too much expectations about the F8x sound, a lot of people were saying that video don't do it justice, well I finally had a chance to ear my friends MPE on his M4 and althoug it does'nt sound bad, it does'nt sound very good either, world apart from the MPE on my E92.

In fact, my friend was pretty dissapointed with the sound of his M4. Only one week after he took delivery of it he called me to ask if I could get him a deal on a exhaust because he tought that the stock one sounded pretty tame(I live in Canada 1h away from the border so I always get my parts in the states). So a week later I bring him the MPE since the consensus on the other forum was that it was the best sounding one and IMO the best looking. 2-3 days after he did the instal he called me(almost frustrated at me for having suggested him to go with MPE lol) to ask me to come take a listen, because he thought the sound was'nt that great and not loud enough either, I explained him that it's a particularity of this car, more specifictly the engine because it has turbos and that no exhaust will make it sound as good as his previous cars which were an R8 V8 with Supersprint exhaust, a C63 507 and a 991 4S.

My friend is not a forum guy and he bought the car without trying it so he did'nt expected his M4 to be poor in the sound department, so now he hopes that the downpipes are going to help which they should, at least a bit, but my feeling is that he's going to get rid of this car before long!

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by Ezio

two years to me is far away

That's cause you don't have a supercharger, I'm in no hurry to get rid of my car!!

[991brothers]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

Don't make yourself too much expectations about the F8x sound, a lot of people were saying that video don't do it justice, well I finally had a chance to ear my friends MPE on his M4 and althoug it does'nt sound bad, it does'nt sound very good either, world apart from the MPE on my E92.

In fact, my friend was pretty dissapointed with the sound of his M4. Only one week after he took delivery of it he called me to ask if I could get him a deal on a exhaust because he tought that the stock one sounded pretty tame(I live in Canada 1h away from the border so I always get my parts in the states). So a week later I bring him the MPE since the consensus on the other forum was that it was the best sounding one and IMO the best looking. 2-3 days after he did the instal he called me(almost frustrated at me for having suggested him to go with MPE lol) to ask me to come take a listen, because he thought the sound was'nt that great and not loud enough either, I explained him that it's a particularity of this car, more specifictly the engine because it has turbos and that no exhaust will make it sound as good as his previous cars which were an R8 V8 with Supersprint exhaust, a C63 507 and a 991 4S.

My friend is not a forum guy and he bought the car without trying it so he did'nt expected his M4 to be poor in the sound department, so now he hopes that the downpipes are going to help which they should, at least a bit, but my feeling is that he's going to get rid of this car before long!

I actually test drove the car and was pretty stoke about the sound stock. Ive been around NA cars alot so I fee like its time to try out a turbo car.

Your friend has had some of the best sounding cars in the market so yes I can understand his disappointment. I for one am pretty open.

The car does it for me for the overall package and pricing. Like I said the ONLY car I would want is a 991 GT3.


Edit: What year is your M3? Looks and sounds solid!

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by NavidM3E92

I actually test drove the car and was pretty stoke about the sound stock. Ive been around NA cars alot so I fee like its time to try out a turbo car.

Your friend has had some of the best sounding cars in the market so yes I can understand his disappointment. I for one am pretty open.

The car does it for me for the overall package and pricing. Like I said the ONLY car I would want is a 991 GT3.

991 GT3 is totally my dream car!!


But on top of being more expensive then most sports cars I'm looking at, it can't be daily driven in the snow so I'll probably never own one!

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by NavidM3E92

What year is your M3? Looks and sounds solid!

I'ts an 08, I've had it for 4 years now and love it more then ever, I was preparing to separate from it next year but since I'm not really in love with the F8x I decided to keep it and bought a second car for daily driving and winter beating! At this rate, when there's gonna be an enough solid option to make me replace my M3, it's gonna be worth so cheap that I might just keep it.

Curious to know where you have eard my car!?

[991brothers]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

991 GT3 is totally my dream car!!


But on top of being more expensive then most sports cars I'm looking at, it can't be daily driven in the snow so I'll probably never own one!

Canada is awesome but sucks when it snows. This is why I cant leave Southern California lol.

We barely get rain. I doubt Ill have much traction issues with the M4

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

I'ts an 08, I've had it for 4 years now and love it more then ever, I was preparing to separate from it next year but since I'm not really in love with the F8x I decided to keep it and bought a second car for daily driving and winter beating! At this rate, when there's gonna be an enough solid option to make me replace my M3, it's gonna be worth so cheap that I might just keep it.

Curious to know where you have eard my car!?

Thats awesome. And a good plan. Wont be worth letting go. Videos youve posted

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by NavidM3E92

Thats awesome. And a good plan. Wont be worth letting go. Videos youve posted

Makes sence! lol

[V8FunNaturally]

Originally Posted by FogCityM3

so much less weight etc etc…

You are kidding, right bro ? People still have the "marketing" exaggerated claims about weight saving "-176lb on a comparably equipped predecessor model". Actually It is well under 100 lbs. And even then that's nothing to fuss about when compared to a Z06 that is -500 lbs lighter (3,100 lbs). If you may feel the m4 is lighter it's due to low end torque but once on the track that doesn't matter.

Originally Posted by FogCityM3

Prior gens M3s (E90 and E46) in most amateur hands are just as fast and it really takes very advanced/club race level to fully exploit the full potential of the car without getting yourself into trouble.

True and a RWD small eco boost is more trouble at the limit than a larger NA.

[mjposner]

The 911 GT3 is $131,000 or more, how is that a faor comparison to a $65k car? I would rather have the BMW and $66k in my bank account.

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

That's cause you don't have a supercharger, I'm in no hurry to get rid of my car!!

honestly man, the way things are heading. I am finding it hard to pick another car. because so many new generation cars suck in todays world. a S/C might be coming. ess vt 625 inter cooled

[V8FunNaturally]

Originally Posted by NavidM3E92

I actually test drove the car and was pretty stoke about the sound stock.

Is that with or without the gaming style electronically generated sound in the cabin activated ?
Come on, everybody and their cousin knows that in the sound department the m4 is a small player ( and that's an euphemism) compared to any serious NA engine, not even getting to a high revving S65. Natural induction sound comes from the front as well.

If you want to push a positive point about the m4 then take a better pick like mpg.
(not that i care it's not my DD).

[991brothers]

Originally Posted by sunsweet

Is that with or without the gaming style electronically generated sound in the cabin activated ?
Come on, everybody and their cousin knows that in the sound department the m4 is a small player ( and that's an euphemism) compared to any serious NA engine, not even getting to a high revving S65. Natural induction sound comes from the front as well.

If you want to push a positive point about the m4 then take a better pick like mpg.
(not that i care it's not my DD).

You read all my posts and thats the one line you want to attack me about

come on youre better than that....

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by Ezio

honestly man, the way things are heading. I am finding it hard to pick another car. because so many new generation cars suck in todays world. a S/C might be coming. ess vt 625 inter cooled

You should really try to have a ride in one, I'm sure it would clear all your doupts! Can't go wrong with the VT2-625, 10sec car for $9k of mods!

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

You should really try to have a ride in one, I'm sure it would clear all your doupts! Can't go wrong with the VT2-625, 10sec car for $9k of mods!

haha i would. not to many M3s, let a lone S/C M3s around my state.

[Eau Rouge]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

991 GT3 is totally my dream car!!


But on top of being more expensive then most sports cars I'm looking at, it can't be daily driven in the snow so I'll probably never own one!

Great, if you're into two pedal Porsches, but I'd prefer a 997.2 with three pedals.

Originally Posted by mjposner

The 911 GT3 is $131,000 or more, how is that a faor comparison to a $65k car? I would rather have the BMW and $66k in my bank account.

It isn't a comparison rather a statement about a $66k different experience that isn't for everyone; like yourself. Money in the bank may make one feel good or otherwise, but it will not deliver driving experiences. Choices: People make them all the time.

[davesaddiction]

Just a reminder of the E9x's dominance in comparisons throughout its production cycle (from latest C&D):