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Ford/ Cadillac etx. spread the cost of that "special edition" to other models so those that are buying that base model are subsidizing the cost of that special edition- GM has been doing that for years with the Corvette. BMW doesn't work that way and never had. Each model stands on its own. MB subsidizes "black" cars in the US as their "racing budget"- Is cadillac racing? No, do they have a parts bin from GM that has homologated engines and seats? Yes. I do not understand why people can't grasp this concept. BMW is an independent manufacturer with a parts bin from only within. They are still a low volume brand with less than 2 million sales worldwide and only a few hundred thousand in the US. Reaching economies of scale for homologation in the US is not easy- they do not have the Chevy cruise that they can build an extra few hundred dollars into to support a special seat for the people that want a special edition 'Vette. You all may get your wish though- BMW just may say we don't need racing anymore, all people want are supped up special editions to brag to their friends about at the local coffee shop. "Let's put the millions into subsidizing those hardcore "fans" and forget racing- heck we may even make pizza delivery guys happy."
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07-09-2012, 03:53 AM | #138 | |
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07-09-2012, 09:11 AM | #139 |
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Don't you guys know that ever since the US E36 M3 was introduced that "M" is for Marketing and not Motorsports.
Come on wake up! That is why I don't track a BMW anymore....... Chet |
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07-09-2012, 11:19 AM | #140 |
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07-09-2012, 11:35 AM | #141 | |
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Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by some of the top engineers in the world because some guys sponsored by a company told you it's "better??" But when you ask the same guy about tracking, "oh no, I have a kid now" or "I just detailed my car." or "i just got new tires."
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07-09-2012, 01:52 PM | #142 |
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You have been drinking the BMW Kool-Aid. I love BMW's and own 4 of them currently and have owned a dozen in the last 20 years. The build their new M-cars so they can sell more of them. Take a new stock M3 to any track and see how long those brakes and tires last trying to hurl 3,500lbs around. They are great cars but more sport coupes and tourers vs. true sports cars.
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07-09-2012, 02:06 PM | #143 | |
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So the Limerock is not the raddest Special Edition ever made. It's better than a sharp stick in the eye, and pretty decent kit for the price. All people do is bitch...
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07-09-2012, 03:02 PM | #144 | |
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Yes people like me complain because BMW "can" make awesome cars and once upon time they did make cars that were great out of the box. They have choosen not to in order to attact a wide array of buyers. They have diluted the M brand as modern day M-cars are very porky. Nothing wrong with that but they should continue to make or offer lightweight and more motorsport oriented autos. Chet |
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I said I have owned a dozen.....including 4 E30 M3's, various E36s, E39, E60. I still have in my possesion a 90 M3 Sport Evo, 72 02tii, and E39 540i.
Just for perspective.....why would BMW NA sell a "fake" GTS w/o any of the go-fast parts. What do you think.........Motorsports......Wrong. Chet |
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And yes, I've tracked all of my cars aside from my first Jetta at age 16 many moons ago. My e92 is awaiting production and I will be tracking the car at Laguna and T-Hill after break-in on the Nurburgring in September.
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Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by some of the top engineers in the world because some guys sponsored by a company told you it's "better??" But when you ask the same guy about tracking, "oh no, I have a kid now" or "I just detailed my car." or "i just got new tires."
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07-09-2012, 06:36 PM | #151 |
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I actually agree with what Bill Caswell says in the article.The M cars have moved towards being mass appeal vehicles for non drivers.I love my present M as much as any of my previous M cars which I have driven from 1987 but I really dislike where there are going with each new model that M introduces.These paint bomb specials do nothing to help their cause!I do track at least 15 times a year so maybe I am not the kind of client that BMW desires to appeal to in the future.
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07-09-2012, 06:45 PM | #152 |
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Thanks for posting the pics in post #134. I keep telling myself there is nothing special whatsoever about this LRP Edition M3, then I look at those aforementioned photos and I'm inexplicably impressed. I've never been a Fire Orange fan until these pics. Though the car is not special enough, it's alright with me.
Make no mistake, I do desire a "real special" edition M3 to send this current car off. I fear it won't happen. FYI, I have agreed with the Caswell article for a while now.
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Here's what i dont understand, most BMW dealers are selling their fire orange,speed yellow,dakar yellow M3's in the mid $80k, Ford/ GM offer similar colors for the Mustang/Camaro at no additional cost.
Even Porsche doesnt charge you extra for a yellow 911. |
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I agree this is a stupid model. They are loosing their edge.
The japolink article made me sad.
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