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I will agree with this. Especially in the rain. I had my ass handed to me at the track last time by one.
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It's phenomenal on dry roads as well, traded my 2010 gt3 for it and haven't regretted a single time. Overall there are very few cars if any that can perform like a gtr, gt3, Porsche turbo, but be comfortable enough to drive everyday. Best car I've ever owned. |
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12-22-2012, 06:37 PM | #114 |
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Your living in a fantasy world if you think an m3 can turn like an r8. Not even close. Mid engine all wheel drive, you can cut through corners carrying much more speed than you ever could in an m3.
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My best lap time around our local track is 1:46.2, and his 1:46.3. And since I'm not keeping pace with him on the straights, I'm besting his pace elsewhere. An outside reference point -- Edmunds Inside Line R8 V10 slalom: 70.7 mph E90 M3 slalom: 71.8 mph Sorry to report that at least in my experience through the twisties it's not quite the rout that you describe. Enjoy your fantastic car!
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Good point, good talk. You probably will find this data hilarious as well! Most sectors are within a whopping tenth of a second with the M3 actually edging the R8 through the esses. Now that's the kind of ass whoopin in the corners you're talking about, right? It's not even close. The R8 is UNREAL. Otherwordly cornering ability. Go tame that beast and don't forget your neck brace.
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...he-results.pdf
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Nice, but lets share a little bit more data shall we? Here we have a r8 4.2 v8 vs a e92 m3 a ton of tests on different tracks shows a very slight edge to the m3 in acceleration however the r8 manages to beat the m3 in a lot of cases by at least 2 or 3 seconds around almost 30 different tracks. Now I am very impressed that you can keep up with your buddy in his r8 maybe he's just toying with you or he doesn't know what the hell he's doing. I have both an m3 and an r8 and I drive them back to back all the time. The r8 simply has more grip and is the better balanced car. The v8 r8 will handily beat an m3 on almost any track by a significant margin, the v10 will absolutely demolish it.
http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/a...mw_m3_e92.html Last edited by KKM3; 12-23-2012 at 05:39 AM.. |
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Retrace our conversation. Focus like a laser beam buddy. I never said that the M3 is faster than an R8 (V8 or V10) on track. I also didn't say that the M3 is a superior handler. What I said is that it's very close through the turns, especially if the M3 has upgraded tires (RS3s, AD08s, or better). That was the extent of my claim. You think I'm in fantasy land because you drive them back to back and the R8 feels more balanced and planted, presumably daily driving on the roads of LA, which is no surprise. So you've had the R8 for how long? How many track sessions? How many lead-follow sessions with an E9X M3? The lightning lap data posted above is the most relevant to our conversation because it shows sector times involving corners. Again, very close with an edge overall to the R8. But the fastest laps data also demonstrates my point. With a 2-3 second gap (~1 second on many tracks) between the R8 V8 and the M3, you can begin to see why I say it's close in handling, especially if the M3 has sticky tires. And since the R8 V8 is actually a superior handling car due to less weight, my claim that it's CLOSE through the corners between the M3 and R8 V10 all of a sudden makes a whole lot of sense to you, right?? If you wanted to come on the forum and talk about how your car destroys M3s in the handling department you punched the wrong ticket fella. Should have kept your GT3, GTR, or went with a Lotus.
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I will just reply to your last paragraph as I really get tired typing on my iPhone and I really don't want to get into a discussion involving better tires as almost any car can significantly improve cornering with upgraded tires. The gt3 is regarded as one of the best handling cars on the planet, I think we can all agree on that right? I could carry similar speeds through turns with my r8 as I could with my michelin pilot sport cup equipped gt3. Now I'm not saying the m3 is a bad handling car. I have the car and I love it but from experience with both these cars on a day to day basis I have noticed that I can go through a turn much quicker in the r8 than I could in the m3 without losing grip. Ill leave it at that.
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Besides looking at the performance and driving excitement associated with exotic sports cars, they are also luxury items. Although you could, most Ferrari and Lamborghini owners do not use these cars as daily drivers. Just like a Patek watch, Hermes handbag or a 4 karat diamond ring that are usually kept in a safe for selected occasions or events. I am sure many people can "afford" an exotic sports car, but to truly enjoy the ownership experience, they should also be able to comfortably afford the lifestyle associated with it.
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I guess there is a PROBLEM when you have wwwwwaaaaaay too much money and when you have no money. I would say just keep your M3 and keep the money.
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I'm not so sure that it makes sense to try and apply logic (cost / benefit) to this subject. Using stats is irrelevant as well.
It's a lot like wines and watches. You're tipping your hat to the engineers, the visionary guys who came up with the ideas and didn't compromise quality for scale. The people who still craft mechanical art by hand. You buy an exotic because you can. If you came into your ability to afford such a thing by putting the same passion and precision into whatever it is that you do then you pay it forward by paying too much money for something you don't really need and you do it with a smile. And all your friends and enemies should do the same (if they can) and acknowledge it as such. |
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I didn't go through the whole thread but here are my thoughts when it comes to exotics:
The size of the car is very important for your potential use. Any exotic you will get will be smaller than an M3, so if you're looking for a 4 seater your best bet would be a Porsche. There is also Ferrari 612 and the FF, Aston Martin DB9 with potential to sit 4. Reliability is another issue you should address. Both Italian and British cars are delicate cars which may become an issue in cold winters and harsh conditions. Having a reliable car and a dealership close by where you live is an important aspect. Performance, while the M3 is not a slow car, a Turbo or a 458 is on another level of speed. We're talking about cars with 0-60 in less than 3.5 seconds, and the needle keeps on climbing like nothing on the speedo. I'm not going to even discuss handling because on a legal road there is no way of coming close to the max handling of the M3 legally, let alone even a better car. So here are my thoughts on the subject. If you're looking for something more exotic while being reliable, faster and still maintaining a functionality of fitting four people a Porsche may be more suitable for you
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