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04-11-2011, 01:07 PM | #90 |
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Interesting thread. Chiming in:
1. Job #1 is to attend a few high performance driving courses to learn better car control, there is no shame in what happened to the OP, but do learn from it. We all start without knowledge of how to properly drive a powerful RWD car (or any car for that matter!). 2. I believe that with little to reasonable car control skills, MDM is fine on dry roads. It will let you have fun while still keeping a safety net. 3. In the rain MDM will increase the risk by intervening too late (as was the case here). But not only that, running the suspension in sport for wet roads doesn´t help at all, as the car is less compliant and you will get less roll as a warning of impending doom. Sport+ throttle is also unfortunate because it makes it easier to break traction. 4. Even after taking lots of courses and feeling pretty confident at the track, I never take DSC fully off on public roads. I think it increases the risk a lot. But I guess if you are really great at car control it would be ok. I´d rather not risk it.
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I'm all for these gobshites running without DSC in the wet, they will be fine until they hit a bit of diesel on a bend or similar and go spearing off into the country side. A dose of Darwinism should make the roads safer for the rest of us.
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Haha you can either go with the spin and just steer into it so you spin out somewhat safely or let off the throttle so the front tires get a bit more traction and counter steer. If you don't know what your doing, counter steering could actually put you in a worse situation where you suddenly get front traction again and steer yourself off the road.
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04-11-2011, 01:43 PM | #93 |
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DSC won't help in that situation. Here's the biggest downfall of many who rely on DSC, they think it makes them invincible to sub-par road conditions.
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I know better than many that the M3's DSC isn't foolproof, however with the M3's excess of power over grip, especially in poor conditions, its a necessary evil and it does a fair job of keeping you on the black stuff unless you drive beyond your ability.
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Link to a short Youtube video... direct link won't work Oh... and no DSC, sorry. It was an e36. Wouldn't have helped in the situation anyhow, as was mentioned before. If you need traction, because you're actually losing the rear end, use the clutch. Btw this is one of those situations where a DCT car would have had a big disadvantage. Would I drive that fast on a public road in the rain? No. I would avoid the situation in the first place. How will you know when "fast" is "too fast"? You don't. You guess. You assume. And if you misjudge, you rely on electronics to save you. And you think that is the way to do it? Honestly?
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This is the key. Avoidance is number one in almost all situations.
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DSC isn't intended to mask mistakes... it is intended to protect people from themselves. For a truly experienced and skilled driver, sure, turn it off. The problem is a lot of people aren't objective when it comes to judging their own abilities and that endangers themselves and others. For greater clarity... this comment is not directed at anyone in particular here. I'm sure there are lots of guys on this forum that can safely handle the M3 in most any weather condition without DSC on. I'm also sure there are lots of guys who own M3s that "think" they are one of those skilled drivers but aren't. Those are the guys that end up in a guard rail or running into a minivan carrying our kids
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I can almost spin the car with DSC fully on. It's not magic, it's just a fall-back for when you run out of skill.
BTW wet and cold roads are a good time to get used to the dynamic handling properties of the car. Because if you lose it on hot dry tires you're going to end up with 2 M3's.
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You are right, the enigineers surely never intended the assist systems to have this effect. Just as Nobel intended dynamite to be used for peaceful purposes. We know, that dynamite is part of every war and if we judge drivers around us, we see, that there are many that make capital mistakes, because their assistance systems save them and they don't even realize it. When I see idiots braking in corners... in the pre anti-locking-brake days, they would have just slid into the trees at some point... but even with the assist systems there will come a point when these fundamental mistakes will hurt them. And the really bad thing is... they don't know, they are doing something wrong. I think our points of view are not far apart. I can live well with a driver that turns every assist system off as long as he can realistically judge his or her capabilities and stays within his limits. (On public roads it's always the drivers limit you stay within and never the limit of the car (for cars like the M3). Simply because the limit of the car is so far above what is sensible in public traffic.) AND as long as that driver takes the responsibility seriously that he has toward others, when he is driving his car. Just as much as an idiot scares me (even with DSC on) that has no idea how the hell a car really works and how much damage it can cause, even at seemingly low speeds. To me it really all boils down to "training, training, training". And good drivers trainings are terrific fun on top of making you a better driver. Leave the more expensive rims off if need be and rather pay for a good driver training! The people you don't kill will thank you for it. And in the end it may be yourself and your familiy you're saving!
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No damage amazingly. These cars are built tough.
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... and the dry
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