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I put adults in the back of my M all the time...that's one of the downfalls of the 997 and GTR...the overall characteristics of the M are what won the comparo... |
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You have a good point, it is a matter of opinion in some cases when it comes to a car having prestige. BTW, i did point out that they should've compared it with the 997S Carrera instead.
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Wrong again. Nope. The purpose is for a fast car that is street-able and fun. The M3 is the more practical and luxurious. The GTR is faster, but not as fun. Again, this is from the article.
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"Prestige" is such a nebulous concept... is it really the history of the marque, or is it a reflection of price, like folks who consistently rated wines higher in blind taste tests when told they were more expensive?
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Because the second choice is the essence of poserdom -- liking something for its price.
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I agree, but in this case with the Porsche it is both. But it is also more of the history behind it which reflects and dictates the price that it commands.
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Again, I am not sure that most people appreciate the history of Porsche as much as it's an expensive car. That's why I feel prestige is nebulous. It's like the M3 -- some of us love the M car tradition, others see an expensive BMW.
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when i say "speed".... i mean overall handling.. accelerating... braking.... im not talking about top end speed.... i am a road racer... so thats first priority.... |
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ok... ive drivin both in real life..... and read the articles... ive slid both cars around a corner.... the M3 would be more fun for sliding around... but the GTR would be alotta fun killing everyone at a DE event... duh the BMW is a better ride.... we all would know that without even reading the articles.... or driving (which you havent done) i also hafta ask you.. have you even drivin a E92 M? if you have drivin neither... i dont really know how your trying to make a solid point... for me.. i chose the M because i think i could have more fun on the street... ONLY because of its rwd.... because i love oversteer... |
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So my conclusion is that all of these other things are MORE important. Imagine if you could this thought experiment. Take all of these "other" compoenents listed above from the E92 M3 and somehow morph them so they could work with an old/outdated/inferior chassis like the E36 chassis. Not a bad chassis but not much compared to the 335i. Would this car still trump the 335i? I think it is pretty clear it would. |
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the Hells Angels couldn't do it...pretty sure the gtr won't do you base your self esteem on street racing? son, that's plain pathetic...do you feel 'bad' when you lose one? does it make you angry and want to harm others? or just feel less of a man? get a life, and I mean that in the most constructive way possible considering that we are discussing your psychological foibles... |
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your the one that just said "the hells angels couldn't" who sais that.......... i haven't street raced in 4 years..... noone wants to race me anymore.... and one day.. you will come across a new GTR... at a redlight.... maby on a road course... and u will get beat.... and i dont even know what u drive... the car is very fast..... but like i said before.. i chose a new M3.... when u get the chance.... go drive a new GTR |
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But I have driven an E90 M3. And owned an E46 M3. You've conceded the first point. On the second you have but to look at the specs. For the third, I can't truly say, but the article said the M3 is more fun and that was what this thread is about -- the magazine article. But you just stated the same thing, "... for me.. i chose the M because i think i could have more fun on the street... ". So, do you still think I'm not making a solid point here?
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anything you say about the GTR.. i gotta take for what its worth...... which is not much... since uve never even seen one.. and ive drivin one...
You were just stating alot of assumptions and you really dont even know the car.... im just tired of people talking about it when they dont know anything about it... obviously im a huge GTR fan.... Jap and German fan to be honest..... i own now and will most likely own 1 car from Jap and Euro for the rest of my life.... they both are great... but sometimes Jap just doesnt get credit when its Due... |
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He is an extremely intellingent and has facility expressing his views (more than me but english is my second language). From his posts I can say I agree with him 98% of the time. I can agree that he appears very BMW and M biased but if you look at his arguments, he makes a solid case. BTW Art I am not that active on the other forum but my SN is Mitsurugi. Jeff
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But, the point I think Ersin is trying to get across, is that every review, in some manner, has stated that the GTR 'feels' very automated when driving, many reviews have stated a 'similar to Gran Turismo' video game like feel, and Top Gear even stated it is so easy to drive 'your Grandma could do it' as well as having a stiff ride... Now, I'm not sure how long you were able to drive the GTR, or where exactly, but the reviewers got to track and run the hell out of it, many on some of the best tracks in the world. Thus their reviews, while subjective (except performance), are all inclusive of what characteristics the GTR possesses... |
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