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I questioned the times because they appear to be suspect, whether factual or not. I'm not going to back down for questioning something out the ordinary. If the M is this fast great. |
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up to 85% drive force available to the rear and 70% to the front if needed. you should read some more about quattro and awd, ignorance is bliss my friend. |
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Are You Saying that AWD Works Great in All Conditions Even with Summer Tires?
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The C&D article talks about the weight distribution of the RS5 and all the technical tricks Audi does to overcome it's effects, but says that near the limit "the chassis still acts more like a front driver". Do you have an RS5? Why did you buy an M3 if the Audi is so much better?
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This is M3Post
But not an M3, and I don't recall you expressing any interest in buying one; so, why are you here?
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Is the RS5 available yet? Not quite, but i will have one when it comes out that's for sure. The M3 is a capable car, fun at times but not as enjoyable as quattro overall imo. |
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First off I don't think its very smart to be racing in the rain or snow, or whatever your dreaming awd will do for you. Second remember the X5m and X6m? They have one of the most awd systems on the market torque vectoring and all. And when it comes to driving in the snow the M3 could go anywhere the RS5 could go, b/c in the snow ground clearance matters more then how many wheels are powered. A 2 wheel drive explorer will leave the RS5 far behind when the rs5bottoms out and gets stuck in 4-5 inches of snow. and the X5m will kill the rs5 in snow.
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The Cts-V pulled on both cars. You can see at the very last few secs of the video. But the M3 is just a better car period
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it was almost as if they were pressured to have the rs5. it isnt much better than the rs4 yet so expensive. the r8 serves the supercar purpose so this car is abit in lost in transition?
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07-26-2010, 11:39 PM | #104 |
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The question was and still is: Why did you buy an M3 rather than an Audi given that you say you prefer quattro?
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His assertion is that Audi's and quattro is better. I'm sure there are lots of Audi's that are available that he could buy rather than an M3.
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Maybe he just prefers AWD to RWD. The only thing I can argue for Quattro, having never owned anything from VWAG with either 4Motion or Quattro, is that is has to have some measure of tangible benefit since it was banned in every form of racing Audi has ever used it in. But I can see where he's coming from. |
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I find those times to be quite impressive. I also have no reason to doubt them.
I've spent many years racing different cars at the track (my last was a 811rwhp Turbo 03 Cobra), and it is so easy to get different times with the same car. The biggest factor is obviously the driver, but weather conditions also play a huge factor. It is quite easy to see a .5 second difference in 1/4 times between the two. You can also take the same car and same driver to two different tracks and get two different times. Now, do I think 0-60 in 3.9 is the norm for the M3...not at all, I believe it to be the exception...about 4.3 seconds seems to be the norm. In this case everything seemed to work perfectly and the result is the outstanding times you see in this mag. R&T just tested the RS5 and got a 0-60 of 4.3 and a 12.7 @ 108 in the 1/4...once again, different driver and different conditions. Also, I highly doubt it was a rolling start of any kind to get those times...typically a rolling start would result in slower times. In order to get the M3 moving quickly the revs must be brought up to around 4000rpm, and then dump the clutch in order to get into the max torque range. A rolling start would have been significantly slower because the driver would not be in the correct torque range. I feel in this case, since DCT was used, launch control was used in the M3 in order to get that fast of a 1/4 time as well as 0-60. I would be real interested to see what the 60ft time was. Just my .02 based on my years at the drag strips.
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AWD vs. RWD is a matter of preference, in March/April when I was looking at the 997.2 C2S, I liked the C2S 10x more than the C4S. I've driven over a dozen Audi's in the past year, including the new V10 R8 and while their Quattro system is great and all, I find it to be totally unnecessary unless it's raining, snowing out there. Besides, a RWD car is more fun around the track, you can really play with it and have some serious fun. The RS5 should annihilate the M3, Audi is behind, they always have been. They make great cars, but are always a step back from MB/BMW. Like the recent EVO article on the RS5 stated, great engine, great transmission but they just don't work well together. Complete disconnect.
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