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I am relly thinking about the GT3RS, however all the dealerships I contacted want to charge a hefty, about $20K over sticker on the RS models. The regular GT3 sells here 1-2% below sticker. Not much. The truecar.com values are unfortunately missleading about the GT3. |
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05-05-2010, 12:20 PM | #90 | |
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I was referring more to the street diferences between the two and a half generations. I don't believe the 996 had PSM nor TC, the 997.1 only had TC and the .2 has PSM and TC. The .2's suspension and much, much improved torque over the 996 is quite different and very much improved to me. Those are just two itmes, there are many more. Agreed that these deltas are very small for the average driver, however, we must consider them when making any comparison. A 14 sec. difference in an apple to apple comparison is huge. I don't really judge my cars on their track times. It's certainly good info but that's about it. You're right, the M was 8:05. |
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Thanks for the replies, just as more motivation to move the thread along, here is what I saw at my local dealership
Sold, of course. It is the basically the same physical dimensions as a 997.2 widebody but not sure if it's the wheels offset, or the paint or something else, it seems quite bit wider than c4/c4s models. |
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If you want, I can route you to the sales guy who will get you at MSRP, at least he said he would to me.
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05-07-2010, 12:27 AM | #98 |
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Actually, I have read the RS is usually not the same chassis as a regular GT3. The RS usually uses the wider rear CS4 platform while the regular GT3 uses the standard CS platform.
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05-07-2010, 10:53 AM | #99 | |
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Turbos, GT3 RS, and GT2= wide body The wide body is 44 mm wider in the rear, and now, for the first time, 26mm wider in the front (only for the GT3RS and future GT2/RS). The turbo is only wider in the rear only. |
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05-07-2010, 04:28 PM | #100 |
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I understand what you are saying.
However, the standard GT3 and GT3 RS do not use the same chassis like I mentioned above. The GT3 RS uses the C4 platform, which is wider than the standard C4 platform that is used by GT3 and all the other none-C4 models: Here is one of my sources: "Unlike the GT3, the RS is built on the body and chasis of the 911 Carrera 4 and Turbo, and accordingly has a wider rear track for better cornering characteristics on the track." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_911
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05-07-2010, 04:45 PM | #101 | |
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I was stating above that the RS is the same width as the C4(S); a reference was made to the C4S and I was responding to that. Dartanium stated that "it is basically the same dimensions as the 997.2 wide body", which is true except that it is exactly the same width as the C4(S) 997.2 and .1 (2005-2011) wide body. My point again was that although the RS shares the same chassis width (as the C4) it may be in part the massive tires that make it look even wider. My GT3 as well as JMD0977's do not have the same size RS tires. GT3: 305/235, RS: 325/245. Everything JMD0977 states above is accurate, only to add that the C4(S) Carrera has the same wider rear body as the turbo, GT2 and RS; without the wider track front of the .2 RS and .2 GT2 RS. Last edited by devo; 05-07-2010 at 05:15 PM.. |
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05-07-2010, 05:03 PM | #102 | |
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You are misinterpreting Porsche's statement. Porsche does not say nor suggest that the RS is built on a chassis wider than the C4. They say "accordingly it has a wider track" as it (RS) would when using the C4 chassis. This post and the one above are facts. I am not guessing. Last edited by devo; 05-07-2010 at 05:47 PM.. |
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Just FYI, the regular 2010 GT3 (not the RS) also uses part of the floorpan from the C4 body. It is not a widebody car, but they used that floorpan for a couple of reasons. One of them being is that the forward driveshaft tunnel is where they mount the front end lift system. I think it's also more rigid. I have an article about it from one of the UK based Porsche mags.
So in short, the GT3 is a narrow body, but it does use some chassis pieces from the wide body cars. The GT3 RS is based on the widebody C4 platform. But it is also slightly wider than the C4 in front. If you look at the RS you can see it has additional front fender flares. This applies to the 2010+ GT3 / GT3 RS. I don't know about the 2007-2009 versions. |
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Yes, the GT3 .1 and .2 (narrow body) does use some of the C4 chassis to achieve a higher level of rigidity than the regular C2(S), which does not use any of the C4 chassis. The GT3's exterior metal is only as wide as a narrow body C2(S). The .2 RS and .2 GT2 RS, as I and JMD0977 stated above, do have a wider tracks at the front. The front of the body, however, is only wider by the measure of the front wheel aches. The wheel arches are in place to cover the wheels/tires from the wider track of course. The 2007 and 2008 (for the USA, 2009 Euro and possibly RoW) GT3/RS's do not have a wider front track. It is only the 2010/2011 (.2s) GT3/RSs and .2 GT2 RSs that do. Last edited by devo; 05-08-2010 at 06:41 AM.. |
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I am a true die hard BMW enthusiast but I would have to say, my dream stable would be a nice subtle DD with a GT3 to play. If I couldn't do that I would definitely do the BMW. I hope to get into a GT3 one day, I've always wanted a P car and that GT3 is the one that really gets my blood flowing. Love it.
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I'm a new member, 2nd post here, and I can speak to this from experience. Last August, I traded in my 2008 997 Turbo for my E92 M3. The Turbo was my 4th newly purchased Porsche, and I'm not sure there will be a 5th. Needless to say friends thought I was nuts, until they've driven my post Active Autowerke car.
Never really connected with my Porsche. Final straw was on the track, at 147mph, when the nearly double the price of the M3 Porsche started to shake a bit and float. After picking up the car, and breaking it in for a few months, I dropped it off a couple of months ago at Active Autowerke. Let me just say that I couldn't be happier. IMHO, this incarnation of the M3 is just an outstanding all around car. Recently put it on the same track that caused the Porsche to float, in nearly identical weather (clear, no/low humidity), and the car held the road like a rock. Don't get me wrong. Porsches are fun to drive, and make lots of torque, but the interiors are dated, and you're not getting the amount of sports car you pay for in the 997. If I drop in Active's supercharger when ready, the M3 becomes a Porsche eater with $30K to spare. Last edited by hqsntr; 05-24-2010 at 06:27 PM.. Reason: addition |
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