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But track use is 10 days a year if I’m lucky. My son is a top goalie in the country so hockey financial drain is eliminating a lot of track time……might be time to sell the dedicated and put these in. DM me if you are willing to walk me thru who you got them thru—-I got the perfect shop to instal them. Appreciate you .02 brother! Cheers, e46e92
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Ok. Now I better understand your primary reason for wanting a semi-active/EDC system. You’d definitely want their ACE controller over the EDC plug-n-play. The Tractive Touring and Road/Track kits are 1-way semi-active in rebound. Their ACE allows you to preset how aggressively you want to control roll and pitch motion based on fixed LS rebound whereas their 3-way kit adds LS compression, which is adjusted manually, to help with roll and pitch control. Adding LS compression improves roll and pitch control because now downward (compression) and upward (rebound) motions are being used, not just the upward motion used by the 1-way kits. The 3-way LS compression adjustment helps with corner entry as well as weight transfer in cornering and braking. The 3-way option also adds manually adjustable HS compression to deal with bump control at corner entry, mid and exit. ACE vs. EDC plug-n-play - EDC version doesn’t allow you to predefine roll and pitch control strategies, instead you’re stuck with BMW’s comfort, sport and sport+ strategies for low speed and high speed control. 1-way vs. 3-way - just like conventional dampers, a 3-way setup is superior to a 1-way setup. The setup you want - active in LS & HS rebound and active in LS & HS compression - does not exist. Tractive and Nitron offerings are the same - a street, a street-track, and a track option - and either a plug-n-play EDC or a standalone controller option. I don’t understand your comment about just controlling stiffness. Are you talking about damper adjustments because those aren’t stiffness adjustments? If you know how to properly setup a 2-way suspension then it’s not that much more challenging to setup a 3-way suspension. 3-way just separates compression into LS and HS. I’m running MCS 2WR (F/R 700/1100 lbf/in, rear divorced, converting to rear c/o with 1000/900 lbf/in) with compression adjustment on the remote reservoir and rebound adjustment on the top of the damper. For the rear, I still have to jack up the car but once up I just reach in between the top of the tire and wheel arch to gain access to the adjust rebound. For the fr we ont, it’s done in the engine bay at the top of the damper. Less of an inconvenient than your R&Ts. However, my MCS setup can be used on the street with no adjustments or just reduce compression damping (under hood and in rear of trunk) to make it more comfortable. If I want to make it very comfortable then I’ll also reduce reservoir pressure to 100 psi (track it’s 175 psi). For my Mini CS with R&Ts, I just reach under the car to make adjustments for summer/winter setups. The R&Ts have been great on the street for over a decade. |
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Hmmm...i always thought TracTive was active in LS compression. Cos when I set pitch/roll to max I don't even feel the initial compression of the damper. Whereas, with Ohlins R/T I can feel weight transfer compress the damper/spring before the steering input translates into a turning motion.
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The error went away. Wiggle the edc cable, remove and reconnect. All good now.
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Where in malaysia? I'm from Malaysia too but live in Texas now.
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Yeah you're probably correct, I don't know this stuff as well as you do. Just sharing what I feel the car is doing when driving the TracTive vs Ohlins R/T since I've driven both back-to-back.
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DSCsport developed their own controller for Porsches and was developing one specifically for the F8x. DSCsport F8x controller didn’t come to fruition for an unknown reason. |
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01-26-2024, 06:04 PM | #100 |
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What you’re feeling and experiencing is great information especially if it’s been back2back between Tractive and Ohlins R&T - I don’t know of anyone else who has this experience. Spending $4-5k USD for one setup is more than what most people are willing to spend and then spending another $3-3.5k USD on a second setup, not going to happen very often
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Does anyone know if they can do custom valving/rates? I’d like something a bit stiffer and more track focused
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For what it's worth though, in my discussions with Jason / OG Shark, it did seem like the R1 is probably the way to go for dual duty and even more so if you are track focused, unless you do frequently adjust your settings via EDC, and even then the limitation might be with the EDC controller. |
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I’d actually wait for the new Nitron elec-TRON R1 and R3 semi-active setups. Nitron is developing their own controller and EDC plug-n-play options. OG shark is currently working with Inertia Lab to create a custom e-tron R1 (or is it R3 first?) setup similar to their conventional custom R1 and R3 setups. You can specify spring rates, or use their recommended rates, as well as droop travel, I believe. Here’s a link from the F8x forum: https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...21&postcount=1 |
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Pricing on F8x: Nitron elec-TRON R3: 8,367.00 USD + shipping (piggyback); Nitron elec-TRON R3: 9,547.00 USD + shipping (remote w/QDs) Nitron elec-TRON R1: 5.867.00 USD + shipping Nitron elec-TRON Road Kit: 4,667.00 USD + shipping |
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Really want a good street damper. I'm on the other side of your race car drivers. Just tired of the shitty Dinan S3R suspension. |
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Are these the Roadsport version for your e90 M3? EDC plug-n-play or Nitron DCU? For the R1 and R3 versions, OG Shark and Inertial Lab will release their custom versions of the R1 and R3. Haha, the other side of race/track car…Have you driven, or been a passenger, in a car with MCS 2/3/4WR or Ohlins TTX 2/3/4-way or Moton MS 2/3/4-way dampers with street rates? If not, you’d be amazed by their performance and comfort. It’s indescribable because people don’t believe you unless they’ve experienced it for themselves. I have a MCS 2WR setup on my wife’s f22 m240ix with street rates and she could immediately feel the difference between the stock and MCS suspensions. It’s spoiled her! She wants our g20 330ix to handle the same way. |
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