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11-03-2010, 11:20 AM | #90 |
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Before commiting to this M3,I have one more cycle of leasing a 2011 e92 which I will do next March when my 08's lease is up.If I do not like the new car I will just keep the 11 for a longer period.I am not a fan of turbo engines in cars used on the track and my wifes 335is just reminds of that fact every time that I drive it.Nice for everyday but very dull when you push it hard!
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11-03-2010, 11:21 AM | #91 | |
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Overall, I seriously doubt the F32 will be much lighter (if any lighter at all) than the E92. |
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11-03-2010, 11:56 AM | #92 |
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sedan/gt thoughts
I'm not tremendously suprised that they would drop the sedan - and a gt-style would fit the trend BUT - I would think it will be far tougher to pull off the dimensions on a 3er to keep 4-door buyers happy... As Clarkson put it with the sedan: "family man that still has a light but wants to keep it under his bushell"... I need the headroom, larger trunk to go with the extra hatches...
5er/Mercedes/Audi all took the gt to their mid-size, where they had more room to play with the shape - less sacrifice on passenger/cargo room. The 3 is definitely a bigger car than it was - but do they intend to grow it further? I just think the GT would drop enough of the sedan functionality to put it TOO close to the coupe... Thoughts? |
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Once moving, gearing is nearly immaterial. Bruce Last edited by bruce.augenstein@comcast.; 11-03-2010 at 01:18 PM.. Reason: punctuation |
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11-03-2010, 12:34 PM | #94 | |
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Of course if the future "S55" does end up with tri-turbo setup, it will probably weigh a bit more than the N54 as well, and maybe be no lighter than the S65. |
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11-03-2010, 12:56 PM | #95 | |
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The comparisons of 335i to ///M are all inaccurate, ridiculous and makes me laugh. Guess the 335i tuned is a better choice then a 911 too? These comparisons are from people who never go to the track, and never drive their cars hard and properly. I'm sorry, you just can't be more than a Sunday cruiser with your cars and make this comparison....mind you there is nothing wrong with being a sunday cruiser, as I love all of the BMWs including my 335i. But the ///M is meant to fill a need / niche that a tuned 335i can't even come close to. Its why my wife owns an X3, and for every day driving and long distance trips I would rather have a proper 7 or 5, its all about what the purpose of the car is. I'm tired of seeing the 30 threads trying to make this comparison because the 335i and ///M are built for two completely difference purposes......and don't ever forget that. Cheers, e46e92
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11-03-2010, 01:07 PM | #97 | |
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154lbs seems high to me. I could be wrong, but I sware I recall there only being about 35 lbs difference between the S54 and S65, and 35 lbs difference between the S65 and N54. |
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11-03-2010, 01:12 PM | #98 | |
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How many times do we have to beat this argument like a dead horse? More HP doesn't mean faster car. The guys wanting more HP and comparing things to the HP output of other cars sounds like a bunch of guys sitting around arguing about whose got the bigger d*** or who has got the hotter GF / wife. SOunds like you are a huge BMW fan, so think about it, do you really want an unbalanced sledge hammer, High HP, High torque car like a Merc or a Caddy? Or do you want a highly tuned scalpel? My bet is if you serch your soul you will say the latter, thus you probably don't want too much HP, even though it may cause you at first glance to salivate. Cheeers, e46e92
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do I sense some frustration in your tone today?
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11-03-2010, 01:24 PM | #100 | |
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I don't like the cadillac, looks too boxed to me and the interior isn't up to par wtih the Germans, but how do you compete with a $15K difference in price? I could buy a Civic for the winter that that kind of cash! |
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11-03-2010, 01:29 PM | #101 |
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Touché......
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11-03-2010, 01:35 PM | #102 | |
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This is what Wikipedia has listed: N54: 195 kg (430 lb) S54: 217 kg (478 lb) S65: 202 kg (445 lb)
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11-03-2010, 02:01 PM | #104 |
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How about stock 500 ponies. A measly 450 just won't inspire me to want the new one.
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11-03-2010, 02:44 PM | #105 |
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anyone drove the CTSv? how does it handle compared to the M? Ive always thought american cars handled like boats..alot of rocking...but then again, all their commericals say "German Inspired" handling and suspension...wtf does that mean?
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11-03-2010, 03:08 PM | #106 |
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They drove it around the Nürburgring a few times.
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11-03-2010, 03:11 PM | #107 |
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11-03-2010, 03:24 PM | #108 |
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Thanks for looking it up; that sounds more like it. I guess it's really almost a wash between the N/A V8 and the turbo I6. So, if the F32 M3 is going to drop any significant weight vs. the E92 M3, its going to have to come from somewhere other than in the engine compartment.
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11-04-2010, 12:54 AM | #109 |
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If the manufacturer has chosen a fully performance optimized set of gear ratios. Or in other words radical gearing changes to an optimized design will have tremendous negative impact and conversely.
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...but it just doesn't have the feel of a BMW. I can't put it into words.
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