VAC Motorsports | VAC 4.4 S65 Stroker Kit Build (CP, Carrillo, Darton, Schrick)

Brian_VACsales · 11-01-2012, 09:19 PM

The complete engine is in the way and the machine shop guys want it gone, haha. The rest of the order is in so we need some final $$$ to go dyno the beast. It should happen after we get back from exhibiting in Germany at the PMW Show.

Brian_VACsales · 11-01-2012, 09:52 PM

BTW, this is the dry sump kit

IMG · 11-03-2012, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike@VAC

BTW, this is the dry sump kit

That's awesome,saw it on another forum. Great work guys !

DLSJ5 · 11-03-2012, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by img

That's awesome,saw it on another forum. Great work guys !

Agreed Izzy, nice work Mike / VAC.

mastek · 11-23-2012, 02:08 AM

What happened to this?
Dyno crank HP or whp?
Price for this specific build?
Who did the Pectel programming, Neel?

mdoughty · 12-09-2012, 09:03 PM

any updates on this project?

Brian_VACsales · 12-09-2012, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mdoughty

any updates on this project?

Dyno is booked for next Tues. Lets hope a hurricane doesn't come through this time! Yes, Neel is a part of this one for sure!

kiloil · 12-10-2012, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike@VAC

Dyno is booked for next Tues. Lets hope a hurricane doesn't come through this time! Yes, Neel is a part of this one for sure!

Is this with VF supercharger as well?

Brian_VACsales · 12-10-2012, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by kiloil

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike@VAC

Dyno is booked for next Tues. Lets hope a hurricane doesn't come through this time! Yes, Neel is a part of this one for sure!

Is this with VF supercharger as well?

Nope, n/a. This is a different engine than the VF one.

aus · 12-10-2012, 04:31 PM

What would be the advantages to the dry sump?
Don't we already have a semi-dry sump?

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biglare · 12-10-2012, 08:07 PM

Jaypod · 12-10-2012, 08:38 PM

Looking forward to seeing the results. My previous ///M was supercharged. In the event I decide to keep this one, maybe I will stroke it instead.

Dave07997S · 12-10-2012, 08:56 PM

Can't wait for the results...

Dave

michaeldorian · 12-11-2012, 01:02 AM

Interested!

-cj- · 12-17-2012, 09:56 PM

Any updates?

e92zero · 12-18-2012, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by aus

What would be the advantages to the dry sump?
Don't we already have a semi-dry sump?

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I am interested to know this as well. I thought traditionally, one of the big advantage of dry sump system is they allow the engine to be mounted as low as possible for lower center of gravity. But I don't see the dry sump system for our engine doing that. It actually move the 9 Liter of oil to a higher point (raise the center of gravity). Isn't that counter productive?

Or the dry sump system comes with new engine and transmission mount/bushings that lower the engine also? Does other know?

m3an · 12-18-2012, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by aus

What would be the advantages to the dry sump?
Don't we already have a semi-dry sump?

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many, for starters:

1. better for road racing as the oil won't experience problems w/ g forces turning, etc.

2. Mount the oil in a central locaiton up top= more oil capacity= cooler oil naturally

3. As prior poster said, no need for a big pan = can mount engine lower if needed

4. No windage problems in pan as no oil sitting in crankcase

e92zero · 12-18-2012, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by m3an

many, for starters:

1. better for road racing as the oil won't experience problems w/ g forces turning, etc.

2. Mount the oil in a central locaiton up top= more oil capacity= cooler oil naturally

3. As prior poster said, no need for a big pan = can mount engine lower if needed

4. No windage problems in pan as no oil sitting in crankcase

I agree with everything above for dry sump system in general but would like to understand if the application to the s65 justify the cost.

1. Does the S65 suffer from oil starvation from g force? I thought our oil pan/container already serve this purpose.

2. Got it.

3. I can't seem to find engine mount/bushings that lower our engine (yet) though?

4. Is the S65 affect by this? I don't think the crank hits any oil in our engine when it spins.

Not trying to debate or argue, just want to learn and understand it better. Thanks in advance.

In Extremis · 12-18-2012, 02:49 PM

If you're stroking a motor for track use, then I think dry sump is a no brainer. The s85 from the old m5 is dry sump, as well as the f10 m5s engine. Love seeing projects like this around here! Everything looks great guys.

Dave07997S · 12-18-2012, 03:14 PM

Well its next Tuesday..anyword?

Dave

1MOREMOD · 12-18-2012, 03:21 PM

subscribed. what does something like this cost? is vac a source to do just a plain jane engine rebuild in the event of a failure?

knolow · 12-18-2012, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave07997S

Well its next Tuesday..anyword?

Dave

2nd!

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