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01-12-2010, 11:48 PM | #67 |
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Reading this thread (and all the other related ones) remind me of a great episode of Top Gear comparing the M3, C63AMG, and RS4. The entire video is good, but the "mine is bigger than yours" section (like all these threads end up) starts at 6 minutes until the end. Entire clip is worth the time. Makes me want to go to the track.
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Back on topic guys....I believe the M3 would be faster stock for stock.
What is your opinion?
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01-13-2010, 06:50 AM | #70 |
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335is will be slower, but I am curious what tech they have added. I think it might get EDC... obviously we know it gets DCT and suspension upgrades. One thing it won't have is a mechanical LSD
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01-13-2010, 07:25 AM | #71 |
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Which, IMO, is a must. If I was into modifying cars, that is probably the first thing I would change on my previous 335i. It is hard to put the power down without LSD. Way too easy to break the rear tire loose.
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01-13-2010, 08:24 AM | #72 |
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I agree the LSD is a big piece of the M puzzle. Cayman S (to my knowledge) still does not have one, and this is a common complaint about that car when comparing to the M3.
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Besides, we should not derail this thread by discussing if the discussion is worth being discussed. Back to topic, please. Best regards, south
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It sounds like the 335is may be inheriting many of the ///M components from the M3 (i.e., DCT, LSD, etc...). If this happens to be true, then I can see the 335is giving the M3 a run for its money because it will essentially be close to an M3 with a different engine. However, the chances of all of these unique M components making it into a non-M car may be slim unless of course, the M division has developed superior components in which they will be updating the M3 with. Either way, M cars should always outperform their non-M variant. It makes no sense in terms of marketing or heritage for BMW to make non-M cars comparable to their M brothers in terms of performance and style. If so, the M Division may be working itself out of a job LOL!
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If the 335is would get some additional tech gizmos, for sure they would be reflected in a sensible price hike....if 335is happens to come close to M3 in terms of pricing, then it's a no brainer to choose the M3 over the overpriced 3 series...
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+1 Unless on the perfect road surface, my previous 335i was a nightmare on the 1st and 2nd gear....
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01-13-2010, 09:56 AM | #78 | |
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$2k for the power hike (similar to the Perf catalog item), $2k for the modified aero, $1k for any suspension changes, plus assorted cosmetic items that are unknown at this point. There is a good chance it will get some sort of EDC as an option, I think similar to what the Z4 has - but not standard perhaps? Another point is that it will come with runflats, so figure at least another $1200-1500 for a tire swap, more if you want to do wheels too. In any case, if it starts at $45k and gets to $50k by the time you add a few options, then I would still prefer the M3. It's not hard for BMW to improve the handling on the "is", but if they still tune it for the harsh runflats, it will not have that extra edge that the M has. IMO. |
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I just hope the newer* 3 series don't get the gawd-awful grills like the new 7's. But interesting that there will even be an *IS. Has BWM ever made a mechanical LSD non-M car?
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Well then.
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Cool. But they forgot to list:
- Big block of ice for even more cooling. - A refrigerator - for even more cooling that that. I don't think that's the full spec list though... |
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Here's more, I guess:
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=340379 Meh. Why both a 6AT and M-DCT? And it appears no suspension changes or anything else that would effect performance other than the engine and transmission. Plus it only get 322hp apparently. Nothing to see here really, I guess. BMW crippled it plenty to give a comfortable distance between it and the M3. |
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I hope the new 335is will keep up with the Audi S4....as for the M3, the 335is is not even close.
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This car should pull back a few that may have either thought of switching to the four rings or any other brand. |
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It's not about drag racing- it's about racing on a real track with a lot of turns/twists. The M3 will smoke many cars on a REAL TRACK. If you want to drag race- buy a viper/mustang/corvette etc. We all know that the c63 AMG is fast in a straight line, but the car is a slob around corners. It really doesn't bother me as there are always faster cars. Plus it's getting more and more difficult to speed on the streets nowadays with all the cameras etc. Time to head for the track !! |
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There is the S5 of course, and that seems like the more direct competitor here. It comes in coupe and convertible just like the 335is, although the coupe still has the V8 as far as I know, whereas the convertible does have the supercharged V6. Power wise though, the engines are pretty close to each other and yes pretty close to the 335is as well. Alright then. Next thread: M3 vs. M1. We'll see if we can pull some more haters out of the woodwork. Last edited by mkoesel; 01-14-2010 at 10:18 AM.. Reason: wrote sedan, meant to write convertible |
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