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10-18-2011, 05:55 PM | #67 |
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Please do NOT post a picture to prove it
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10-18-2011, 06:04 PM | #68 |
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i dont know i think i should to prove it cuz apparently posting a picture of anything and not the real thing proves its real.
and any naysayers can suck my 10 foot penis because they should believe me??? lol i dont know wats up with the responses from ADV.1 if they think we M3 owners are idiots or something or easy to make a sale when they have no concrete backup for the claims make..
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10-18-2011, 07:44 PM | #69 |
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I have no opinion regarding the quality of ADV.1 wheels. I have noticed that they do seem to be popular. The main issue that I've seen in this thread is that they said they had TUV certifications and then said they would post one. They posted something titled as a "Certificate of Conformity." If that's not an actual TUV certification, then (in my opinion) it brings into doubt whether ADV.1 has certifications and knows what they're talking about. Also, a picture standing in a TUV facility is no proof you're certified; it only refutes claims that "TUV has never heard of us."
I used to perform ISO 9001 audits of organizations and, as such, I always wanted to see proof or evidence of something. People frequently make careless mistakes (or try to answer questions they shouldn't be trying to answer) when audited or pressed for information. The posting of a "Certificate of Conformity" (instead of a TUV certificate) may be one of those types of mistakes. In my audit situations, a simple "oops, my mistake" would suffice (followed by the correct proof, evidence, or explanation) and no negative consequences would result. I believe that's all we're asking for here.
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10-18-2011, 10:14 PM | #72 | |
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It was ALL ABOUT 360 Forged and 20" rims. It was SAD. All these "Car Guys" were all about the bling and had NO IDEA about unsprung weight, VIA/JWL/TUV. All they cared about was the look and the bling. There are still a LOT of those types of people on this and many other boards. I was like WTF happened to the //M crowd I was used to with the E36/E46 M3. Jordan knows how to make a good looking wheel; he's proved that twice now. And it seems like he's taking care of customers, but he needs to take that next step like APEX and MORR have done to prove their wheels are strong and safe for the road and track. Also, saying you're TUV when you're really not, does not inspire confidence in the company's wheels cracking or breaking. .
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10-19-2011, 01:31 AM | #74 |
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Here's a thread I created a while back regarding wheel testing standards.
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=353224 I also have an account with VIA to look up certified JWL wheels for those who are interested. |
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10-19-2011, 07:28 AM | #75 | |
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10-19-2011, 09:07 AM | #77 |
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Pinhead - we also were not calling you out - the reason I invited you to come by our facility was because you were local to LA and we could clear up all of this and provide you with the evidence you demand in a few minutes and show you hundreds of testing certificates.
We engineer and build all of our wheels to exceed OEM specifications and have done so since day one. We don't sacrifice weight for safety and will build a heavier wheel than our competitors every day of the week to ensure it's not going to bend or break at the track. Are you guys demanding data and certificates from every other wheel company or just taking their word for it as well? |
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10-19-2011, 10:09 AM | #78 |
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Isn't JWL certification just the machine they useto test? There are no standards as each manufacture can do their own testing. So in the end JWL certification does not mean anything.
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10-19-2011, 10:39 PM | #81 | |
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to be honest, i can accept you guys not having TUV certification but you can still build your wheels to a certain standard by testing them in various destructive tests. this should be part of the R&D process (maybe it already is, if it is, please describe what kind of testing you do!) just because something hasnt had any problems doesnt mean it never will. how many track cars out there do you have running ADV.1 wheels ? if you guys have done your own testing, please upload results, pictures and maybe a video...something like this ?
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end of that video seems unsafe for the tester standing 2 feet away. what if the wheel breaks or something goes wrong?
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10-20-2011, 12:22 AM | #83 | |
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That will have the opposite effect. Getting to see your penis isn't a reward adv1 will want so they won't show you the TUV cert.
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10-20-2011, 12:28 AM | #85 |
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true, im just trying to prove how idiotic their answers to our questions have been.
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As an attorney, I'll say this. If ADV.1 can't substantiate its claims regarding their various certifications, namely that they have TUV certification on over 100 applications, they are looking at a tremendous amount of legal liability for fraud, false advertising, negligent misrepresentation and fraudulent misrepresentation. If a mass joiner or class action arises, ADV.1 can also count on a host of punitive damages on top of actual damages.
I hope for their sake they can substantiate their claims. But being in this business for as long as I have, my experience has been : once a fraud, always a fraud. There's nothing more valuable than reputation. And their reputation at 360 forged wheels precedes them. - esquire
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