Seized Engine at 42k

[WhatsADSM]

IMHO I wouldn't pay another dime to this place. Certainly wouldn't have them put it back together if you plan on bringing it somewhere else. Yes the car can roll around without the transmission in it.

Worst case scenario I would put a used engine back in it and sell it. And only if I really did know that the engine was seized. An attempt to spin the crank manually with no transmission would be a valid test for that. Why in the world would they have pulled the starter to test? They could have attempted to spin the crank from the beginning?! Also a DCT car being "overreved" is very very questionable. Only way I see that being a possibly is if you have aftermarket software on the car.

[dlloydj]

Originally Posted by WhatsADSM

IMHO I wouldn't pay another dime to this place. Certainly wouldn't have them put it back together if you plan on bringing it somewhere else. Yes the car can roll around without the transmission in it.

Worst case scenario I would put a used engine back in it and sell it. And only if I really did know that the engine was seized. An attempt to spin the crank manually with no transmission would be a valid test for that. Why in the world would they have pulled the starter to test? They could have attempted to spin the crank from the beginning?! Also a DCT car being "overreved" is very very questionable. Only way I see that being a possibly is if you have aftermarket software on the car.

The foreman insists it is feasible to over rev when down shifting 'on a hill'. And that was the killer. In his opinion.
We took borescope to each cylinder. All look fine.
Suspect spun bearing.

[Brian_Fantana]

Originally Posted by dlloydj

The foreman insists it is feasible to over rev when down shifting 'on a hill'. And that was the killer. In his opinion.
We took borescope to each cylinder. All look fine.
Suspect spun bearing.

I love that he gave you his opinion. I guess we'll just have to take him at his word...

Sounds like this are moving in a favorable direction though right? What's the next move?

[roastbeef]

i would be pretty livid if the dealer told me the car had 30 seconds of over-rev logged, then told me it was possible when downshifting to land at the cusp of 8,400 rpms when going downhill.

do you have a tune? do you know that 100%?

[Minator]

I I find highly highly questionable with D CT ...op...get the car to an indy....find the problem...lawyer up like another member i read about and have BMW NA buy back your car.

[dwennerberg]

I have an Indy shop and I am tight with some dealers. I can help. Don't pay them. Pm me or call 949-375-2695.
Pure performance.

[Helmsman]

Originally Posted by dlloydj

The foreman insists it is feasible to over rev when down shifting 'on a hill'. And that was the killer. In his opinion.
We took borescope to each cylinder. All look fine.
Suspect spun bearing.

Loyd, yes it might be possible one of a million times but BMW still says the DCT provide protection. Look it up in the manual and read out loud to the man!

[SenorFunkyPants]

Originally Posted by dlloydj

The foreman insists it is feasible to over rev when down shifting 'on a hill'. And that was the killer. In his opinion.
We took borescope to each cylinder. All look fine.
Suspect spun bearing.

Pull the oil filter and cut it open...if its full of sparkly copper particles then you will most likely need a replacement motor.

[dmppdx]

So what is the reason for arguing about the cause of the failure ultimately matter at this point? If that car is out of warranty, BMW doesn't have a liability to fix it regardless of the reason. Im not sure why people are saying to lawyer up. What case would you have for a failure for a car that is out of warranty? I'm sure there is no documentation you are going to find that says that a DCT is guaranteed to protect your engine from failure under every condition. People around this forum seem to that that every time an engine blow it's BMW's liability to fix them. Well, shit happens and engines blow sometimes and cars have a warranty that expires after a period of time for a reason.

[heartcolorgrey]

Originally Posted by Ashley Schaeffer BMW

So even a internet genius like you hasn't ruled it out.

Did I come off pretentious? What's your problem?

Most ppl in the thread tead to agree over-rev couldn't have caused the issue. If he threw a piston or cracked the block he would've been told so right away.

You have any ideas for OP? Or you just want to play internet tough guy?

[Helmsman]

Originally Posted by dmppdx

So what is the reason for arguing about the cause of the failure ultimately matter at this point? If that car is out of warranty, BMW doesn't have a liability to fix it regardless of the reason. Im not sure why people are saying to lawyer up. What case would you have for a failure for a car that is out of warranty? I'm sure there is no documentation you are going to find that says that a DCT is guaranteed to protect your engine from failure under every condition. People around this forum seem to that that every time an engine blow it's BMW's liability to fix them. Well, shit happens and engines blow sometimes and cars have a warranty that expires after a period of time for a reason.

You suggest an engine should only be good for as long as the factory warranty hold, and breaking down shortly after should be acceptable?

[SenorFunkyPants]

Originally Posted by Helmsman

You suggest an engine should only be good for as long as the factory warranty hold, and breaking down shortly after should be acceptable?

Hey Nik...I think the point is, if you want your car to be covered by warranty then you need to take out an extended warranty. If you don't want to pay for one then you take the risks involved....BMW have no obligation to pay for anything

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by Helmsman

You suggest an engine should only be good for as long as the factory warranty hold, and breaking down shortly after should be acceptable?

the point is that no matter what the failure is. if you are out of warranty. any car maker has no obligations to fix your problem. Rather its your fault or the companies. i didnt even realize the OP was out of warranty. hes not going to get BMW to fix this.

[dlloydj]

Originally Posted by Ezio

the point is that no matter what the failure is. if you are out of warranty. any car maker has no obligations to fix your problem. Rather its your fault or the companies. i didnt even realize the OP was out of warranty. hes not going to get BMW to fix this.

This is true. So their offer of $5k goodwill really is goodwill.

And to answer the point made by others, it does seem a little unfair that 3000 miles after the end of the warranty the engine blows. Admittedly I was out of coverage. But shit happened and yes it happened to me.

[dlloydj]

Originally Posted by Helmsman

Loyd, yes it might be possible one of a million times but BMW still says the DCT provide protection. Look it up in the manual and read out loud to the man!

Shop foreman said he had seen this half dozen times in his 30 years at BMW

[dlloydj]

When visited yesterday he tried to turn the engine and demonstrated it was seized. When I asked if I could find out exactly what the failure was he said he'd need to remove engine and strip it down. I'm not paying any more to the dealer.
Also he said if I pick it up in pieces then the diagnostic charges will be halved. i.e. 1500 instead of 3000.

Remaining options are 1) see if the dealer and bmwna will give me $20000 credit towards a car, 2) pick it up and sell it to someone for cash, or 3) fix it at an independent. The latter can be subdivided further into 3a) fixing the seize/crank or 3b) second hand engine replacement.
Does anyone know of reputable Indy in LA or better still Ventura County?
Thanks all

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by dlloydj

This is true. So their offer of $5k goodwill really is goodwill.

And to answer the point made by others, it does seem a little unfair that 3000 miles after the end of the warranty the engine blows. Admittedly I was out of coverage. But shit happened and yes it happened to me.

it does suck. There was a m3 forum member that got his engine replaced out of warranty. BMW did it out of goodwill.

so theres hope.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Ezio

it does suck. There was a m3 forum member that got his engine replaced out of warranty. BMW did it out of goodwill.

so theres hope.

1/100 chance...

[A Fire Inside]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

1/100 chance...

"So you're saying there's a chance."

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by A Fire Inside

"So you're saying there's a chance."

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by A Fire Inside

"So you're saying there's a chance."

[90028 SGM3]

Originally Posted by dlloydj

Does anyone know of reputable Indy in LA or better still Ventura County?
Thanks all

Luckily for you there's a million good shop recommendations in the LA/Socal regional thread stickies, but you could try calling Mike Melika at Melika European Motors in Venice, he's a super honest indy who isn't cheap but won't rip you off for anything you don't need, and has always done amazing work with super diligence to detail for me.

(310) 396-2425

good luck.