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01-26-2010, 01:41 PM | #67 | |
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01-26-2010, 01:49 PM | #68 |
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I am aware they are not the same as I was only using that as a comparision.A base 335 cab is $62245 and the Mcab starts at $81900 but to do a direct comparision to USD is useless as the standard equipment in Canada is usually more complete.
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01-26-2010, 02:20 PM | #69 | |
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01-26-2010, 03:20 PM | #70 | |
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I would still rather have my 333hp e46M ZCP over the 2011 335is. Ms are just more fun to drive, period. If you really have a problem, go test drive one before you start complaining to BMW for producing a solid factory car. It still does not match the e9xM.
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At least once a week someone starts a thread about how much they like their new M3, it usually goes like this: "Hey, i just traded in my 335i on an M3. I can't believe how incredible the M3 is! It's amazing, so much better!"
How many times week do people post "Hey, I just traded in my M3 on a 335i! It's so much better!" |
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01-26-2010, 04:33 PM | #75 |
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Exactly what I was thinking. Better to abuse a dedicated track car. Some say every hard lap around Nurburgring is like a hundred+ miles wear and tear.
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01-26-2010, 04:55 PM | #77 |
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Drive one and then let us know how pissed you are. If you're still pissed, remind yourself to use the extra couple thousand rpms your tach hasn't seen in awhile.
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I think the M3 is a great car and I understand why people desire them but it (like a lot of cars) is in a sort of "Twilight Zone", more performance than can be utilized on the street (not that there's anything wrong with that ) and not necessarily the best choice for a dedicated track car. I personally am not interested in tracking a car that does not have a full roll cage, racing seats with a 5 point harness, a Hans device and a fire suspression system. I am also totally anal about the way I keep my street cars and if you track a car it is going to get f*cked up and when it does I don't want it to be my $75,000 road car. The guy in the picture below can attest to this and the next time someone tells him "don't lift in the uphill" he will probably listen. I am perfectly happy with my 335i convertible as a road car, or "cruising" car. I love the convertible feature and frankly I would not trade it for an M3 sedan if it was an even trade, and yes I am fully aware that an M3 Sedan will outperform my 335i convertible (but I don't care). And you can be reasonably sure that many of the posters here who are so impressed with themselves because they can afford the payments on an M3 can not afford to destroy it at the track and not be able to put in an insurance claim. CA
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^^ The E93 is the only E9X I'd own as it is the versatile one with a split personality and I don't get bent out of shape about the minimal difference in street performance between coupes and convertibles. I can drive any of them to a normal [for me] street performance threshold. The E93 is definitely the best looking of all. Pride is a factor. And when I want real performance, I have that sitting in the garage already.
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Performance wise, the M3 is the hands down winner. It's is amazing how much they've made the 335is look like the M. Visually there isn't much different. Unless you own, or are interested in either car, it's tough to tell the difference.
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Perhaps the quote of the decade. Motoring is about passion where hair splitting has no true home. There are many modern "passenger" cars which would kill the venerable E30 M3 around a track, or even a M1. Time marches on. But that doesn't mean those generic passenger cars evoke any type of emotion or passion. Enjoy whatever floats your boat. I personally don't like the 335i or soon-to-be 335is but not because they are close competitors (subjective) to the M3, but because I can't stand the power delivery of the N54. That isn't to say I don't think they are good daily drivers which offer a top level of quality and capability because they do. They just miss out on that added bit of extra feel and capability in which M cars are engineered to deliver. Plus M cars instill that tad bit of extra passion from both a performance and aesthetic perspective.
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01-27-2010, 07:14 AM | #86 |
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I agree with both your posts and yes I do love my M3,but the 335 is the much better vehicle for my wife with its torque focused power delivery.
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I've been tracking my street cars since 2001 in the appropriate events for street cars (driving schools) and never came even close to wrecking any one of them. Why would you assume a crash will happen? Just because some people with more money than common sense or talent crash their expensive toys (as in your picture), doesn't necessarily mean it will happen to a level headed guy like myself - who always wants to go back home in the same car he came in. Now you can argue that I am deluding myself, except that my, umm, track record speaks otherwise. If I wanted to be competitive (as opposed to just having some fun), then I'd probably start racing in a spec class - to gain experience, since they are so fiercely contested. But simply for having fun, I don't see any drawback to taking an M3 to track days. |
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any vids or pics of these items you speak of??
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