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02-17-2011, 09:33 PM | #68 |
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Well I'm not ready to say a Ferrari F40 isn't a thoroughbred sports car just yet... Or many 911 turbos over the years.
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That "article" was really a note in a forum that someone picked up on and posted on vettenet, without my knowledge. It was a reply in a very torque-centric string, hence the overall slant. I've revised it over the years (for the better, I think), and it's here, in this forum. Bruce |
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I suppose you could define lag many ways. I could say that the S65 in my E90 M3 has lag because I feel significant power only at high rpm. I could say the N54 in my E61 535 has no lag because I feel significant power anytime I put my foot down. I have owned and driven them all -- centrifugal supercharger, turbocharger, and high revving naturally aspirated. The one with the power curve I like most is my turbo E36 M3. Quote:
Anecdotal comments do not change the facts. Neither does some story about a modded 335i equaling or besting an M3. Ugh, let's not open that can of worms... Also, a bit OT but I am highly confident BMW will continue the trend of lag reduction with some great turbo and general engine tech in the next gen M3. It will be some combination of: KERS, a new/evolutionary variable valve system, multiple turbos, variable vanes, etc.
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02-18-2011, 01:37 AM | #71 | |
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more na vs turbo threads are going to pop up after the new f3x m3 comes out. and i agree that people will still go out there to buy the f3x m3 after they beached and moaned about turbos in m div. but still, i forsee an exodus. how big of one? iono. will this hurt m div's and bmw's overall image? iono. it would be nice for m div to keep turbos out, but im not going to hold my breath. ive already got my eye on the new 991. if bmw doesnt want to offer na engines, thats fine. ill go buy somewhere else. |
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02-18-2011, 05:54 AM | #72 | |
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Here is my anecdotal comment: No lag to complain of. I have one and I have had turbo cars that lagged in ways that I have complained of. I also have an S65 that takes far more rpms than the N54 to get into the power band and I wait longer for that to happen than I do for the turbos to spool with the N54. If you want to open your mind, find and read the "some story" in Grassroots Motorsports about a professional BMW race car driver track testing a lightly modded 335i against the M3. I like M3 and have a couple, but am not married to them. |
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My vote is for the upcoming 4.0 flat 6 coming in the upcoming GT3 supposedly good for 480 HP
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I've driven the Porsche Turbos, too. They are great cars, but the lag is more than noticeable...it's annoying. |
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Geez, once you pass the $50K mark you are in luxury territory.
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The 3L 500hp 10000RPM supercharged V8 in the Ariel Atom is another great one. But 3L is not enough you might say? Well it better be, since in all likelihood that's what the next M3 gets. |
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Just keep that in mind when BMW releases the 3L I6 F32 M3 with a ~7000RPM redline.
The fact is, you can get more power from a small displacement motor by revving it higher or by adding forced induction (or as my examples show, by doing both at the same time). It's almost guaranteed that BMW will only be doing the second for the next M3. |
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I believe average M3 buyer is getting an auto box, right? So who cares about shifting?
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Of course that would have even less "low end torque"
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Ha ha, we are soooo lazy!...but seriously, you can't shift with a Starbucks cup and a bagel in your hands.
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