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2014 Cayman S | 98 | 70.00% | |
2013 RS5 | 24 | 17.14% | |
Other, Please name below | 18 | 12.86% | |
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06-25-2013, 02:44 PM | #67 |
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06-25-2013, 03:00 PM | #69 |
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Congrats on the new car, I think it's a great choice. I got a chance to drive the base Boxster and even that impressed me. Just the way that car handles more than makes up for the loss of power vs the M3. IMHO, the Cayman S would be the perfect companion to my M3. Just a little too rich for me, I'll wait until used prices come way down.
Here's my short review: http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=857364
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Cayman S looks awesome! Can't wait to hear your opinion between the BMW and Porsche
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06-25-2013, 08:17 PM | #73 |
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Thanks guys! i will post up a thread whenever I pick it up in a couple of days
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Regarding your litany above (and comments of others), it isn't the case that it is quicker in the 1/4 or around a road course. Many tests have the M3 faster or equal, though in some it loses. So that is a draw. In the M3's favor, it is much lighter (over 300lbs!), handles better/better weight distribution (the latter by a wide margin), offers a manual transmission (matters a lot to me), costs less (my view when comparably equipped), has more aftermarket modding options (not huge but nice to have), ... My last post on this matter because 1) I actually like the RS5 a lot , was only disputing an over the top comment, 2) getting way OT and 3) the horse is dead... DevJ, congrats on the new car!
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Quickest Amerispec RS5 in the quarter is Road & Track's car, turning 12.2. Quickest Amerispec M3 goes 12.4 according to Car & Driver. Agree with some of your other points, although weight by itself is immaterial, as is weight distribution (think Porsche). Handles better? The bimmer has better power-to-weight figures, yet the Audi is quicker on road courses, by and large. I admit (and have declared) that the M3 has better steering overall. That's attributed largely to the Audi's AWD penalty in that department. So what, though. The bimmer is better in that regard, period. Bruce Last edited by bruce.augenstein@comcast.; 06-26-2013 at 12:08 PM.. Reason: spelling |
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For ~$90k though, I would've got a 997.1 Turbo. but these Caymans are amazing.
This one is pretty stunning but you were looking for a newer car. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Porsc...e5be8b&vxp=mtr |
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If you want to arbitrarily pick magazines to quote as "evidence" of something then how about quote the fact that 9 out of 10 *head to head comparison articles*, both in the US and the EU, pick the M3 as a winner *and* point out that its cheaper, over the RS5? I get it. You love the RS5 and feel it is superior to the M3. Thats great and its fantastic that anyone who can afford an RS5 can afford either car since the RS5 is actually more expensive. It's pretty much all subjective though, and disingenuous to try to cherry pick objective stats taken from different drivers on different days to "prove" there is a clear winner. If it were so "clear", the M3 wouldnt have won *any* head to head (much less pretty much all of them) I know I know... BMW pays them all off. Unless there is a test where the BMW doesnt win (like the current F30 head to heads) in that case the tests are fair and I guess BMW forgot to mail in the check. |
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I did in fact say in that string that I thought the M3 would beat up on the RS5 out on the highway, though. Quote:
Look, those who know me know that I don't give a damn about any automotive manufacturer, and that I am in fact a promiscuous fanboy, finding something to like in just about any car. The fact is that the M3 is the absolute best back road ballet dancer measured against its competition, and for some, that may be all they need. For others, not so much. For me, the 1 series is the best of BMW, with the sport-packaged 128 being the one of choice. Great turn-in and tossability, classic sound, and cheap to run. Bruce |
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06-28-2013, 11:21 AM | #83 | |
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Also love the sound. It's classic BMW straight six mellow snarl, something I've enjoyed for decades. The M has its own terrific sound, but only on the right hand side of the tach. Ban me? Good luck. |
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Totally disagree. The 128, even with the sport package has horrible handling. Major understeer. No LSD. The turn you describe is just not there. It's practially impossible to induce any sort of oversteer even though it is a RWD. If you had said 1M or even 135i which has a stiffer suspension than the 128, I could see your point, but really Bruce, seems like you're just baiting now.
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But now I'm baiting the faithful because I prefer another BMW to the M3? Just another example of the thin-skinned folks populating this forum who judge themselves by the car they drive. By the way, Road & Track recently said the 135is they recently tested is their favorite bimmer at the moment, and I could almost agree with them because the siren song of power calls us all, but you can feel the extra weight over the front end in that car compared to the 128. |
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