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Not so much on track, though. Uh, you mean cars designed to compete on road courses, right? If so (and I assume so), I agree. Quote:
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However, your anecdote and mine are worth precisely nothing. Check fastestlaps.com, type in M3 vs Boss 302, and see how these cars compete on various tracks. In my opinion, the M3 is the way better car, but the facts say the Boss is quicker on drag strip and road course. Not by a lot, though - which speaks volumes about how great an overall compromise the bimmer is, again in my opinion. Bruce |
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Sorry I'm on a laptop and felt like being lazy. I did the fastest laps comparo but the lap times are to few on the Boss to make any type of educated guess. Which is why I posted three different links. Did you see the scores? If you can find me back to back lap times, I'd read it. The only one I can find have been posted and the Boss lost. Different days with different drivers mean nothing to me or anyone who is into lap times, but whatever floats your boat. In the end the Boss has a solid rear axle. I will say Ford has done as good as they could with it, but they can only do so much. Rumor has it the next gen will be IRS. Maybe than they can compete. As for now? No, the chassis is to far limited and it clearly shows otherwise it's standings would be different and certain drivers wouldn't be bitching. On a side note, I get to drive a Boss non LS next month at Hallett and I'm 99% it's better than the SN95.
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The Car & Driver times are also meaningless? How about Motor Trend? For whatever reason (I assume traction loss from a bumpy venue), the Boss 302 got its ass solidly kicked by the three German cars in that EVO test, but if you think the other seven times are without meaning, then we're simply done here. |
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I listed the times on the same tracks in my links... 2007 M3, M3 comp, 2011 Boss, and LS Boss. Same tracks. Also my points are going over your head but im not shocked. We were done the moment you said you said you know nothing about racing. If the Boss was a better car it wouldn't be getting it's butt kicked in GS as those cars use the same equipment. The solid rear axle limits the capabilities of the car. Yes the M3 chassis is better for racing. End of story. Non back to back lap times are pretty pointless but I can tell the only racing you do is magazine times. Different days, different drivers and different track conditions are going to yield different results. Bedford Autodrome West Circuit (post 06/2008) M3 Base 1:26.20 Boss 1:29.00 Those times mean nothing but I can too play your stupid game. After looking at Bedford I'm not shocked the Boss had a hard time for reasons I doubt you'll understand but I'm sure your racing google skills will figure it out.
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And I'll bite. Why did the Boss have a hard time at Bedford. Last edited by bruce.augenstein@comcast.; 09-10-2012 at 08:47 PM.. |
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Lap Times (5) Track M3 Mustang Boss 302 LS Hockenheim Short 1:14.00 1:13.20 Laguna Seca 1:42.96 1:39.50 Virginia International Raceway 3:05.40 3:02.80 Willow Springs - Streets of Willow 1:27.67 1:26.10 Sachsenring 1:40.67 1:39.85 |
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Most bmw owners think they drive the best cars on planet earth. Not many bmw owners are able to admit when a car is better than theirs, its pretty sad lol.
My family owns and has owned many bmws(much more than most people on here) and I can say the boss 302 is better than the m3 from a performance standpoint, luxury wise the m3 wins. But were talking about performance here, and the boss comes out on top in this category. |
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This is exactly like Nissan stating their performance goal for the GT-R was to beat the then current Porsche Turbo around the 'Ring. Job done before they mentioned that, of course. Bruce |
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I will say this, have seen 3 BOSS' wreck this track season and not a single M3 (which is a bit misleading cause I'm usually the 1 M3) not sure what, if anything that means, but still waiting for a "wow that guys fast" quote coming from that or any car outside the usual (GT-R, Viper, Vette, GT3) Was just watching "gone in 60 seconds" and realize just about every car on there was slower than either of the cars we're talking about, so let's get over it and go for a drive
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I think Ford made a pretty good car and I'd consider buying this generation Mustang. But I'm just tired of American companies claiming they made a BMW beater. For that reason, they'll always be behind the power curve.
Don't ever think american cars are that much cheaper to maintain than German cars. You'll find parts prices are not that much cheaper for american cars. The biggest difference is likely the dealership labor rates. I've seen a couple of Boss 302s with the Laguna Seca package at the track. Two with blown engines. Not sure if it was a one time issue or systemic issue but I have NEVER seen an M3 at the track with a blown engine. With that said, who gives a shit about ego massaging Nurburgring or Laguna Seca lap times. Its all about the drive.
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Ive owned both, both AMAZING cars. The BOSS feels german on the track, if you couldnt see the interior you couldnt tell. Boss 45k, M3 70k. If you want a nice interior dont buy the Boss, cause that not what you are paying for, but you get amazing performance for the money! its all plastics inside but it has great seats, an awesome engine that sounds glorious, a great tranny and handles beautifully!
on a side note why do some of you spend so much time arguing such insignificant things, who care. ENJOY YOUR CARS! and be happy that you can afford these cars wether it be a BOSS or an M3.
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Drove one the other day. What a POS.
The engine is the only strength of the car, everything else is junk ( chassis, interior, brakes, tranny). I can't believe they are asking $45k for this car. |
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Trade your M3 for a newer M3 with warranty and ask the wife & kids if they would like to go live with their relatives?
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Boss parts are cheaper, and I have yet to see a boss motor blow on the forums? You can order a boss crate motor from the dealer for 10k and receive a significant amount back with core exchange for that price you can goto the dealer and get your m3's throttle actuators fixed Did I mention the stock block/internals are capable of holding 1k whp with just a blower? And those aren't just dyno queens. To be honest, the perfect m3 would come with a boss 302 motor. Oh yeah the stock valve train is rated for 9k rpm redline and its the exact motor used in the grand am series cars. All BMW can say is there motors are derived from racing, and the boss has an actual race car motor
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