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05-20-2011, 09:47 AM | #67 | |
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Your supercars are barely seconds quicker around the track (eg. regular veyron is 0.8 seconds faster than the 458 on a short course - and the 458 doesn't even have AWD) http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/top_gear_track.html Hockenheim short, the 458 and both original and facelifted GT-Rs beat the Zonda F. http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/hockenheim_short.html Same situation around nurburgring. Only the clubsport version of the Zonda F gets past the 458 and GT-R - and the facelifted GT-R beats it anyways. http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife.html They all have 'top 1%' performance, and they all have 'less than 1%' representation. Performance, and rarity. That makes both a supercar and an exotic. But like all definitions, there's a range of cars that fit into it. Eg. All these are "GT" cars - and so is a chevy impala. But you wouldn't cross shop an impala with a veyron... (well, unless you have 'tycoon money' and they are both 'cheap like water' in your mind). Anyways, they're all supercars - to some degree. Some more 'super' than others. Over time, the slower ones will be matched or eclipsed by your daily regular cars - at which point they will be 'ex super cars'. (eg. 335i will stomp a testarossa, but back in the day the testarossa was shit hot). In this regard, the 458 and GT-R will be eclipsed sooner than say a veyron. -scheherazade |
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05-23-2011, 01:28 PM | #68 |
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^^^ Couldn't have said it better myself.
Straight-line races? The point? lol
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I thought those cars were now divided into supercar, and hypercar.
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05-24-2011, 03:25 PM | #70 | |
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This of course can't be : 1) rarity - because a 458 is rare (hell, so is a ZR1) 2) mid engine - because a 458 is mid engine 3) wacky doors - because a mosler MT900 has wacky doors, and it costs less than a 911 tt with any options. 4) speed - because a crap load of cars are fast as hell 5) lightness - because an MT900 is super light, and so is an elise. 6) power - plenty of powerful cars 7) looks - plenty of exotic lookers ... (p.s. I'll go ahead and give you price and badge). -scheherazade |
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I would tend to agree with scheherazade...a ferrari gto is a proper supercar. I would be inclined to say that a 458 is more on the line of exotic car.
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05-27-2011, 03:05 AM | #73 |
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Not true. Almost a semantic issue but not quite. Engines used for vehicles are always rated as to how much mechanical power they produce, never the total power. If you used this same way of measuring you would also say the E92 produces 1200 hp (or perhaps only 1000, whatever).
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i would love to see those cars run up against this car:
*drool*
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Here's some runs with some cars that are in the same league mod wise and power wise that might give you an idea how they'd stack up against that GT2. Both the AWE and Proto 997TT's in the vid have upgraded VGT's, one running E85 fuel and the other pure meth, not sure if the GT2 was on race gas. In the vid below, I do believe had they kept going the Modded 997TT's would eventually pull away. Still not too shabby.
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Here's one trapping 132MPH, DA was -1500', so it's more in the 128 range at a moderate track. Here's arguably the best Z06 1/4 mile driver in the US running a 132 trap, same track as the 458 ran at, in -350 DA, excellent conditions.
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What is so impressive about a modified BMW beating a "very fast production car"? Like I said, it should win just based on the modifications alone.
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The 918, about to be the Carrera GT replacement, definitely raises the bar - but the 997.2TT already is par/eclipses the carrera GT. Similar situation with the 430 scud vs 458. The 430 scud is an upgraded 430. The 458 is the 430 replacement, newer and better : upgraded, you could say. And while the GT3RS is nice as hell, it still has to contend with its nature. Insides gutted, suspension upgraded, racing seats, wheel, etc. Basically a factory ricer treatment to a 911. (Note : I don't mean that in a negative way, It's just that it's the best comparison I can come up with. Basically, a very nicely modified 911.) You could put proper tires in a 911TT, and depending on the situation, it's hard to decide which is faster - while the 911TT is easily nicer. -scheherazade |
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