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You want raw thrills and excitement you get a bike or a Z06 M3 is definitely the perfect luxury sports vehicle for the price. I just wish they had made bigger strides in its refinement and power over the previous generation M3. I just can't justify spending that much more money for that little advancement. Or better yet, I'm saving my money for the next generation M
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01-21-2009, 10:42 PM | #68 |
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youre right OP, people should stop comparing the two... its getting boring... i mean there will always be people who love the 335 and then there'll be those who love the M... its like asking which is better, flat or sparkling? its just preference.
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in a totally unrelated subject:
just got back from the dyno... Just a simple $500 JB3 tune: good enough for low 12's. I got some coilovers installed, and tried it quickly in my little "test" lap, and it did very well. Next month I'm taking it to homestead and running it on the actual track and see how it stacks up to my e92 M3 time from last fall... hope is close or better. |
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you, sir, are a fine gentleman and a scholar!
I am saving for that one.... twin turbo I6 goodness pushing 400hp+ /400lb-ft stock, with tons of aftermarket tuning capabilities, with the M driving dynamics!!
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and for the 335 vs m3 it really is retarded, why?? because M3 owners had a choice NOT to buy the 335( simple because we think its inferior)Trust me If the 335 is better, i would've gotten it, couldve saved me some money for my college books too, so in the end we are greater because we have the power of choice. Something 335 owners would have to take another step to prove.
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I have both the X5 and 335, could've bought that m3 and some change- but wanted to have some fun with both utility and mods and enjoy my homes in CA and NV... plus too many boy racers like you pollute the brand. Not all 335i owners are wannabe m3 groupies and want to hump your leg. Maybe some of us do have a choice and chose to NOT get an m3.
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I rather keep my X5 for the family + kids, drive the "crappy" "ugly" "lowly" 135 as a dialy driver to and from and work (and the occasional track), and spend the extra money that the M would have cost me on better things like more vacations with the family, etc. some of us enjoy learning and appreciating the M3 but chose not to get it....and finances weren't the issue. Quote:
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1. Mosler MT 900 GTR 2:45.9 2. Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR 2:48.6 3. Ferrari F430 Scuderia 2:54.6 4. Nissan GT-R 2:55.6 5. Dodge Viper STR-10 (600hp) 2:57.4 6. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 2:58.2 7. Ford GT 3:00.7 8. Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z51 3:01.2 9. Dodge Viper SRT-10 3:01.6 10. Porsche 997 GT3 3:01.8 11. Chevrolet Corvette C6 3:03.6 12. Cadillac CTS-V 3:04.0 13. Audi R8 3:04.6 14. BMW M3 (E92) 3:05.6 15. Porsche 997 Turbo 3:05.8 16. Ford Shelby GT500 3:05.9 17. Mercedes C 63 AMG 3:06.5 18. Lotus Elise S2 3:09.2 19. Porsche Cayman S 3:09.5 20. BMW M6 3:10.0 21. BMW 335i Coupe 3:10.5 22. Audi RS4 (B7) 3:11.2 23. BMW Z4 M Roadster 3:11.7 24. Nissan 350Z (283bhp) 3:12.5 25. Chevrolet Cobalt SS/TC 3:13.0 26. Mitsubishi EVO X MR 3:13.3 27. Mitsubishi Lancer EVO IX 3:13.5 28. BMW 135i Coupe (E82) 3:13.7 29. Lexus IS F 3:14.0 30. Audi S5 3:14.6 135i and 335i are in good company. It always feels good to pay less and get more.
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The times are for Stock cars by the way.
Download the pdf and times yourself: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...re__1/(page)/1 look for the download box bottom right. btw- that GTR costs only 70k? damn. coulda woulda shoulda.
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I am pretty sure the weight is off on the 335i as well, by at least 200 lbs- laf. Nice catch!
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I just got a 335 and I'm looking for a M3 badge to put it on..
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What the number don't reveal is how easily each of these cars can be driven to the limit. I have driven examples of several of the cars on the list on varipus tracks (never been to VIR). Some, like the Miata and the Lotus are predictable and give a good indication of how close you are to the limits. Others like the Viper are more of a handful. In my opinion if you are serious about tracking it makes sense to have a dedicated track car. I have seen enough "incidents" at the track to conclude that I want a full roll cage,racing seats and a 5 point harness before I attempt to push a car to the limits on a track, particularly a track with traffic. As far as modding a 335 is concerned I don't think it is realistically possible to get a 335i to the performance level of an M3 by modding. And even if it was possible it would be hit or miss. Companies like BMW spend a great deal of money developing and testing cars and it is not likely that the average backyard mechanic is gointg to be able to equal their results in a cost effective manner. For example when you buy a 335 you pay for the 335i suspension. When you buy an M3 you pay for the M3 suspension, When you replace a 335i suspension with an M3 suspension (I don't know if this is possible but I have seen posts here that indicate that it is) you are paying for the 335i suspension AND the M3 suspension. Not very cost effective. CA
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first, one should try to always use multiple sources and track times to get a more complete picture. If the same track on the same day with the same driver was not used, the variables are too influential to get an accurate assessment. For example, using the VIR track times is one measure, but lots of inconsistencies as described earlier. Edmunds is one of the few so far that has had the 135i, 335i, and e46 M3 in the same track, same day, same driver, and thus, it is a better measurement stick in my opinion. Second, driver72 and I had some good discussions about the discrepancies of 335i and 135i times, for example, on the VIR results from 2007 to 2008 which saw generally faster times in 2007. I posted this on that discussion: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...&postcount=118 Quote:
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