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South... where did you get this information from? I remember Scott quite explicitly mentioning less than one month ago that production on the e92 M would end in 2012. See below. Quote:
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10-18-2010, 07:33 PM | #70 |
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I read some facts few weeks ago that the M-DCT sells 3 to 1 over the 6MT, so I wouldn't be too surprised if they keep the 6MT on a leash for the F3X M3.
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10-18-2010, 10:08 PM | #72 |
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it will be fine. apparrently there are lot of people that love turbo cars. This will actually bring more people to bmw. imagine all those jdm, audi, vw crowds who are used to turbo cars.
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10-18-2010, 10:24 PM | #73 | |
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It really can't be denied that M is moving away from their roots. SUV's, minor suspension modifications, and now they're not even creating their own engines; just modifying existing blocks. Previously an M3 with the V8, an M5 with the V10, were unique M's. But honestly, other than the engine the current E90 M3 is an easy suspension conversion kit away from a 335. The F30 looks to make it even less unique; just a stroker kit on the N55?!? Just look at the recent Autobild review. Anyone notice the Alpina (read: Tuned 335), is the fastest to 50, and still 3rd fastest at 200kph. It beats everything except the 490Hp Merc in ALL the roll-ons. http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=443965 It's the lightest car in the test, 8 tenths (0.8%) off on the lap times, oh, AND gets the best economy, AND costs up to 20% less than the competition. To me, it looks like the 335 embodies more of what the original M stood for.
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10-18-2010, 10:28 PM | #74 |
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im pretty sure that BMW will offer a full manual with a stick, its soo far away so u cant be sure about it, but it wouldnt make any sense to take away the stick
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I do not want to get off topic, but a Boxster, a Boss 302 Mustang or Corvette are looking more like the ultimate driving machines if you want a 6MT. I hate to say it but BMW may be drifting from it's roots due to mileage, emmisions, and the fact fewer people have the ability to drive a stick. It kind of makes me sad....
I think the debate over 6MT or DCT is really pointless. If speed is your primary concern, DCT is the answer. If you want to enjoy the car more and have greater control use a 6MT. To each his own... |
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^ x2
Said by someone that most likely hasn't felt the feeling of being connected to a car with a great MT... I'll drive MT until I can no longer do so, and then, well, I wont have much to live for or I'll die trying.
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10-19-2010, 06:11 AM | #79 |
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Just found out - M3 sedan will be gone by next November because the F30 is launched in November/December. M3 Coupe and Cabrio will be gone about mid 2012. Coupe and Cabrio replacements for the 3er will be launched in Spring and autumn 2013. M3 Replacement for Coupe will be in 2014.
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10-19-2010, 07:22 AM | #80 |
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So the next-gen sedan launches Nov/Dec 2011, and the coupe doesn't launch until spring 2013? A full year and a half later? That's a hell of a gap.
Edit: Just looked at the timeline on the E9X models, and that's exactly the way it went before. According to wikipedia, E90/1 launched in March 2005 and E92/3 launched in August 2006. That just seems odd to me. Last edited by spiderz17; 10-19-2010 at 07:33 AM.. |
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10-19-2010, 07:32 AM | #81 |
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Not true. The M3s share virtually no body panels with the 3series cars. I don't remember the exact statistic but almost every body panel is different.
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10-19-2010, 07:41 AM | #82 | |
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I was going to do a purchase since I thought the Sedan would be gone, but I may have to do the "bmw preferred" financing and see how things look 5 years down the road
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In the end I'll bet they can get the power they need from the 3L I6, especially with some trick tri-turbo setup or whatever they come up with. Quote:
One last thing: assuming that a Z4 M also gets the green light (it sounds like it will), would that also come after the X3 M, or potentially before it? I have to assume that a Z4 M would use the same motor as the new M3 and X3 M also. |
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To me that first paragraph of his you cite has "read between the lines" all over it. Quote:
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What still doesn't makes sense, at least to me, is that the E92/E93 M3 would bow out a full year before the E92/E93 3 series apparently will. Why would they do that? As I recall it both the E46 M3 and 3 series were on sale well into 2006 up until the E92 3 series came on the scene in late 2006. |
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Looking back at my notes...
The (E90) 3er sedan debuted in November 2004, and was launched at the Geneva Autoshow in March 2005. The 3er Touring (E91) launched early summer and debuted at the IAA , Frankfurt 2005. The (E92)3er Coupe debuted in April 2006 and Launched at the Paris Autoshow in September 2006. The 3er Cabrio (E93) debuted in October 2006 and debuted at the NAIAS , Detroit January 2007. The (E92) M3 Coupe Concept debuted at Geneva 2007 with the production car coming in April 2007 before launch at the IAA, Frankfurt 2007. The (E90) M3 sedan debuted at the Tokyo Motor show in October 2007 and the M3 Cabrio (E93) debuted in January 2008 before being launched in Geneva , March 2008. The schedule for the (F30) 3er Sedan begins with official premiere in November 2011, Launch will be at the Geneva autoshow in March 2012. The 3er Touring (F31) will debut in it's largest market Germany at Leipzig 2012. The Chinese market 3er Sedan (F34) will debut at Beijing that April. The 3er Coupe (F32) will debut in the early part of 2013 making it's debut in Geneva. The 3er Cabrio (F33) will debut in the summer of 2013 possible IAA 2013 debut. 3er Gran Turismo (F35) ( 3er GT and 3er Li share the same wheelbase)- the new addition to the 3er family will debut in 2013. The M3 Coupe (F32) and Cabrio (F33) will debut in 2014. |
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The reason for an production end must not necessarily have to do with the end of produktion from the base model ... if emission laws are getting tighter, it could be possible that it is too costly to modify an engine for an rest production life of half an year! This could an reason why the complete M3 production could ends in November 2011. Greets Uli_HH |
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