Future BMW models information

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by xlover

the g81 actually went under @ynguldyn radar until after leaked

Now that we know the SOP, I have an explanation of that: it was leaked _very_ early in its development cycle. If that hadn't happened, I would have broken the news some time in the second half of 2020, more than 2 years before SOP - which is pretty much on par with everything else I report here.

I suspect BMW was actually testing the waters at a point where the project didn't yet have a lot sunk costs and would've been easy to cancel. So yeah, the could have thought about a limited run at first but then the enthusiastic reception convinced them to make it into more than just a small experiment.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by xlover

-at initial tease: plan was quick 1000 units for a marketing burst more for the press than satisfying consumer demand (the g81 actually went under @ynguldyn radar until after leaked)
-3 months later: legitimate demand higher than expected, expand to series production

If a car garners interest, manufacturers become flexible about figures (2700 BMW E82 1M scheduled (2011) - 6309 cars built; 1600 Porsche 981 Cayman GT4 scheduled (2015) - Andreas Preuninger at a September 2015 Laguna Seca event: production increase to 2500/3000 cars; a Rennlist database reported ± 2350 cars for the US only).

[Game]

Originally Posted by Artemis

If a car garners interest, manufacturers become flexible about figures (2700 BMW E82 1M scheduled (2011) - 6309 cars built; 1600 Porsche 981 Cayman GT4 scheduled (2015) - Andreas Preuninger at a September 2015 Laguna Seca event: production increase to 2500/3000 cars; a Rennlist database reported ± 2350 cars for the US only).

Artemis,

Off hand do you happen to have the production numbers for the F87 M2? I remember seeing them here one day and have had trouble finding them.

[ynguldyn]

We now have the power output of iX M60.

Also added SOPs for the 5 series based Alpinas (those are non-US).

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

We now have the power output of iX M60.

If true that likely means the difference in power between the M50 and M60 is small, and the difference in power between xDrive50 and M50 is zero.

I say this because, while I realize we don't have the numbers for the i4 yet, at this point it seems a forgone conclusion that the M50 model will employ the 523PS (515hp) setup that was previewed in the Concept i4 and which has been the subject of rumors going back years. And, it now appears that the iX xDrive50 will use that same setup, while the iX M60 gets less than 10% more power.

We don't know battery capacities, so those could still be further (more significant?) differentiators between these various new model names. Still, this is disappointing. With the M60 setup also headed for the G70 7 Series, I was hoping for more - 600hp at the very least to sort of pick up where the V12 left off (as the name M60 might imply). I suppose we'll have to wait for M70 or M80 or some-such for that.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by sh11

It will be named iXs, not iX M60, and it will match M750Le power output. The i7 M60 will have 650hp.

Thanks for your contribution. That name, if real, would make more sense, though not as much sense, I would suggest, as something like "xDrive55". I say that because, why do we need "s" in the mix if we are using numerics to distinguish all of the other models? So we'll see.

Regarding power output, matching the M50e PHEV drivetrain would seem to be arbitrary / coincidental. That is to say, okay, maybe they will have the same power output, but they won't have anything to do with one another since the iX is a BEV, not a PHEV.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by sh11

It will be named iXs, not iX M60, and it will match M750Le power output. The i7 M60 will have 650hp.

Right now I'm looking at a specific US-spec iX M60, which is explicitly named "iX M60" in the document. Are you suggesting that there's an even more recent change and the M60 name has been discarded?

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

I say this because, while I realize we don't have the numbers for the i4 yet, at this point it seems a forgone conclusion that the M50 model will employ the 523PS (515hp) setup that was previewed in the Concept i4 and which has been the subject of rumors going back years. And, it now appears that the iX xDrive50 will use that same setup, while the iX M60 gets less than 10% more power.

I think this is common sense: just like we know from the model designation of a gas car what engine it has and its power output, the same should be true with BEVs: a BMW with "50" in its name and dual motors should produce the same power no matter which specific model it is.

We don't know battery capacities, so those could still be further (more significant?) differentiators between these various new model names. Still, this is disappointing. With the M60 setup also headed for the G70 7 Series, I was hoping for more - 600hp at the very least to sort of pick up where the V12 left off (as the name M60 might imply). I suppose we'll have to wait for M70 or M80 or some-such for that.

I have some suspicion (not confirmed by anything, mind you) that G70 will have different powertrain hardware from G26 and I20.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

I think this is common sense: just like we know from the model designation of a gas car what engine it has and its power output, the same should be true with BEVs: a BMW with "50" in its name and dual motors should produce the same power no matter which specific model it is.

I agree with you on that - that's a good baseline rule.

I guess my point was, the "M" has tended to indicate a power increase: M40i models make more power than 40i models, M50i models made more power than 50i models when the two briefly coexisted (the 750i is an outlier since it would surely be an M750i if not for the unique M760i V12 model).

I have some suspicion (not confirmed by anything, mind you) that G70 will have different powertrain hardware from G26 and I20.

That would be a good thing - they need to iterate quickly because it would appear that frequent incremental power increases are going to be the norm in the premium EV market. It makes sense - there are no regulatory concerns like there are when you want to make more power from an ICE. The new driving factor in power output is how it will impact range.

[Yk11]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Right now I'm looking at a specific US-spec iX M60, which is explicitly named "iX M60" in the document. Are you suggesting that there's an even more recent change and the M60 name has been discarded?

I have seen it in two different sources. One of them also mentioned the name iXs for the US model. It makes sense to me as the i7 M60 will have significantly more hp than the top iX.

[BMW Life]

The official reveal of the all-new G26 i4 Gran Coupe is finally here:

https://bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1808569

[Yk11]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Right now I'm looking at a specific US-spec iX M60, which is explicitly named "iX M60" in the document. Are you suggesting that there's an even more recent change and the M60 name has been discarded?

Came across the name iX M60 by chance, so probably you were right but as mkoesel mentioned it would be a bit disappointing compared to M760i as well as the upcoming i7 M60...
Seems like naming of electric vehicles seems to be a great challenge within BMW

[Almaretto]

Originally Posted by Juvi

The official reveal of the all-new G26 i4 Gran Coupe is finally here.

https://bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1808569

Look at that i4 get sideways!

First thing to fix is the hockey-stick on side.

[mbanck]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

I agree with you on that - that's a good baseline rule.

I guess my point was, the "M" has tended to indicate a power increase: M40i models make more power than 40i models, M50i models made more power than 50i models when the two briefly coexisted (the 750i is an outlier since it would surely be an M750i if not for the unique M760i V12 model).

I have the feeling BMW is just sticking "M" to the front of whatever they came up as top-of-the-line powertrain (and give them the M-Sport treatment) for each model, without thinking much about it otherwise.

[MPSdriver]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

I think this is common sense: just like we know from the model designation of a gas car what engine it has and its power output, the same should be true with BEVs: a BMW with "50" in its name and dual motors should produce the same power no matter which specific model it is.

Am I getting this right?
- the iX xDrive40 will make "more than 300hp" (320hp) with dual motors (this thread)
- the i4 eDrive40 will also make "more than 300hp but with a single motor (press release)

I'm assuming that the motors in the dual iX setup differ from the one in the single motor setup of the i4?
If not, power output in the iX xDrive40 is limited somehow and (some of) the hardware might be present to upgrade power to xDrive50 levels

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by mbanck

I have the feeling BMW is just sticking "M" to the front of whatever they came up as top-of-the-line powertrain (and give them the M-Sport treatment) for each model, without thinking much about it otherwise.

When it comes to the electric models, at least in this early point in their evolution, this may very well be. If not now, then in time I think we'll see more differentiation. As I say above, incremental costs to increase output should be low while reduced range would indeed be a drawback.

Originally Posted by MPSdriver

I'm assuming that the motors in the dual iX setup differ from the one in the single motor setup of the i4?
If not, power output in the iX xDrive40 is limited somehow and (some of) the hardware might be present to upgrade power to xDrive50 levels

I'm very curious about all of this as well. The Ford Mustang Mach E is a currently available EV with a similar spec sheet - same/similar power for the RWD and AWD models within a tier.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by MPSdriver

Am I getting this right?
- the iX xDrive40 will make "more than 300hp" (320hp) with dual motors (this thread)
- the i4 eDrive40 will also make "more than 300hp but with a single motor (press release)

I'm assuming that the motors in the dual iX setup differ from the one in the single motor setup of the i4?
If not, power output in the iX xDrive40 is limited somehow and (some of) the hardware might be present to upgrade power to xDrive50 levels

There's something here that doesn't feel right to me either. This amount of power should be available out of a single modern motor, and there's this notable paragraph in the iX press release:

In the BMW iX xDrive50, the drive system – which features one electric motor on the front axle and another at the rear axle – produces total output of over 370 kW/500 hp and enables acceleration of 0 to 100 km/h (62 mph) in under 5.0 seconds. The BMW iX xDrive40 has an output of more than 240 kW/300 hp, allowing it to sprint from 0 to 100 km/h (62 mph) in a shade over 6.0 seconds.

Do you notice what's missing here? Exactly: any mention of the motor layout in the 40 similar to what they give for the 50.

So if in the end we learn that "xDrive40" and all other uses of "xdrive" for this model that I've seen elsewhere are just empty words, and it actually only has a single rear axle motor, I won't be surprised.

[MPSdriver]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Do you notice what's missing here? Exactly: any mention of the motor layout in the 40 similar to what they give for the 50.

So if in the end we learn that "xDrive40" and all other uses of "xdrive" for this model that I've seen elsewhere are just empty words, and it actually only has a single rear axle motor, I won't be surprised.

The info on the website seems to suggest two engines for both xDrive versions but maybe not as explicitly for the xDrive40...
At one point I was thinking that they might create xDrive with a single e-motor on the rear axle and a transfer case to drive the front wheels... but that felt completly absurd. I guess we'll have to wait and see

[JustChris]

Did this one happen over in the US?

One more F87 M2 model is possible. Just looking at timing, it should be something very special, with a very short production run. And it will be US only.

Not the global M2CS was there a run out M2 'other' car?

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by JustChris

Did this one happen over in the US?

One more F87 M2 model is possible. Just looking at timing, it should be something very special, with a very short production run. And it will be US only.

Not the global M2CS was there a run out M2 'other' car?

That was M2 Racing.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

That was M2 Racing.

Ah ok thank you x

[CH_M3f80]

Originally Posted by bayarea328xit

Is 2022 the current estimate for the G05 X5 LCI? The first post does not provide a month/year.
I'm hoping for 2022 as our lease expires in April 2022.

March 2021
F95/F96/G05/G06: Shadowline headlights in April.
G05 X5/F95 X5M - 07/26 (LCI 04/23)

Which is correct for the X5 LCI, 04/23 (first page) or 2022 (see post above)?