Future BMW models information

[PARTS@STBMW]

G80/G82 xDRIVE

[xlover]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

I've now added a bunch of other small things.

So if there is a CSL coming soon, with a limited run, just knowing how bmw looks at these things there must be something even better coming later?

Anything in the crystal ball pointing to a specialty model beyond the CSL

[V-Eight]

speaking about the new G20 interface....will be also implemented in the G80?

And, could anyone guess which will be the major changes of the G80 LCI expected in 07/22? Taillights only or more?

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by V-Eight

speaking about the new G20 interface....will be also implemented in the G80?

Yes. But it could potentially happen 3/23 with the G82 and G83 rather than 7/22 with the G20. That might make more sense than diverging the M3 and M4 interiors for eight months. On the other hand, the G80 is assembled with the G20 so it would complicate that a bit.

And, could anyone guess which will be the major changes of the G80 LCI expected in 07/22? Taillights only or more?

Probably just the tail lights. Definitely no headlight or other front end changes - those will wait until the G22/G23/G26/G82/G83 LCI in 7/24 due to the shared parts. Minor interior detail changes, such as switchgear, are possible if those occur for the G20.

[xlover]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Yes. But it could potentially happen 3/23 with the G82 and G83 rather than 7/22 with the G20. That might make more sense than diverging the M3 and M4 interiors for eight months. On the other hand, the G80 is assembled with the G20 so it would complicate that a bit.

I think whether the G80 follows the G20 will be driven by how extensive the update is. If it is mostly a cosmetic update to the dash and the UX and backend are similar (bigger screens but still separate displays, similar idrive controls, similar layout) as it seems to be in the iX I think the G80 will update. The only true M specific bits in that area is the gauge cluster graphics. And other than the screens themselves the actual parts for rest of the dash are already different between g80 and 82. The 3 and 4 share very similar interiors but not actually identical, I would imagine it would be more costly to have essentially 3 separate interiors in production g20, g80, and g22/g82.

[Sjokosaus]

Are the glass elements in the iX interior standard or are they an option like ceramic controls in other models?

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by Sjokosaus

Are the glass elements in the iX interior standard or are they an option like ceramic controls in other models?

Optional, but a lot of things that are officially optional end up being always included (that is, become de-facto standard) with a specific model trim based on the local marketing team's decisions.

[SW19]

Will the G80,G82 and G87 also get the new interface/infotainment/communications package, including the dash?I assume they will because they usually share the same general interior layout as the series cars they come from.I hope they don’t because I prefer the dash layout that the G80 and G82 have right now.

[Kyokushin]

Guys, any news about 2 door version of i4?

[mkoesel]

ynguldyn Is there any indication that a RWD G83 will be added at some point?

Your release schedule indicates that July will bring three xDrive M3/M4 models - the G80, G82, and G83. Any sign of a RWD G83 on the horizon?

[mbanck]

Originally Posted by Kyokushin

Guys, any news about 2 door version of i4?

Seeing how coupes are getting phased out, I doubt it'll ever happen.

In any case, the coupe has a different wheelbase compared to the 4GC/i4, so they would have to re-engineer the battery as well (and it would have to be smaller), so that makes it a non-starter for this product cycle at least in my opinion.

[Artemis]

Leaving a cross-reference here for the spin-off thread entitled "Likely production schedules for the G87 M2, G80 M3, G82 M4 and their LCI facelifts": see here.

Giving credit where credit is due: the contents of that spin-off thread are inferred from scheduling reconstructed by ynguldyn in this thread to date.

[John-M007]

Does anyone knows as to why we do not get the Laser Lights on the US 5 Series?

And why did they took away the automatic soft close doors on the 2021 5 Series model year?

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

ynguldyn Is there any indication that a RWD G83 will be added at some point?

Your release schedule indicates that July will bring three xDrive M3/M4 models - the G80, G82, and G83. Any sign of a RWD G83 on the horizon?

There's only one G83 version remaining in the pipeline.

[bayarea328xit]

I'm left wondering if the current 8-cylinder engines on the existing models are the end of the line. No 8-cyclinder ICE or hybrids in the future.

As each model goes out of production, the next model generation will not have an 8-cylinder engine in the line up.

If this is true, the last 8-cylinder BMWs will be the X6 M50i and X6 M.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by bayarea328xit

I'm left wondering if the current 8-cylinder engines on the existing models are the end of the line. No 8-cyclinder ICE or hybrids in the future.

From the OP:

September 2019

• The next 8 cylinder M motor is going to be called S68. Most likely, it will be an evolution of S63, not something radically new. I would expect some electrification with the internal combustion side mostly staying the same.

This engine will probably debut in the upcoming XM which does not yet have a release date. Also expect to see it in the next generation M5, M8 GC, X5 M, and X6 M.

BMW needs something to remain competitive against Mercedes' upcoming 63e and 73e models which will use a M177 V8 hybrid setup, so hopefully the S68 is used in a similar way with at least 100hp coming from the electric motor(s).

Whether any of the M50i models (or the 750i) will continue with a V8 in some form for the next generation of vehicles is still not known. It is worth noting that Mercedes brand new W223 S Class includes an S580 model with a ~500hp M176 V8 with 48V mild hybrid system.

[bayarea328xit]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

From the OP:

This engine will probably debut in the upcoming XM which does not yet have a release date. Also expect to see it in the next generation M5, M8 GC, X5 M, and X6 M.

BMW needs something to remain competitive against Mercedes' upcoming 63e and 73e models which will use a M177 V8 hybrid setup, so hopefully the S68 is used in a similar way with at least 100hp coming from the electric motor(s).

Whether any of the M50i models (or the 750i) will continue with a V8 in some form for the next generation of vehicles is still not known. It is worth noting that Mercedes brand new W223 S Class includes an S580 model with a ~500hp M176 V8 with 48V mild hybrid system.

I certainly hope you are right - things are changing so quickly that I'm left wondering if the 8-cylinder engine development will be cut off earlier than was planned as recently as Sep 2019.

Edit: Your note re MB S 580 likely confirms the 8 cylinder getting carried forward to at least the next generation of the current models that carry the 8 cylinder engine.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by bayarea328xit

I certainly hope you are right - things are changing so quickly that I'm left wondering if the 8-cylinder engine development will be cut off earlier than was planned as recently as Sep 2019.

Rest assured, V8 engines are going nowhere soon. Hybridized V8s will be mainstays this decade in performance vehicles from Germany and elsewhere.

This beast:

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...oupe-spy-shots

is ready to go and will debut very soon, and the engine will be used in other vehicles. BMW isn't going to watch their competitors from the sidelines.

Originally Posted by bayarea328xit

Edit: Your note re MB S 580 likely confirms the 8 cylinder getting carried forward to at least the next generation of the current models that carry the 8 cylinder engine.

Ironically, that's not necessarily the case. The reason is, 500hp isn't hard to reach with an I6 hybrid setup. In fact, Mercedes happens to be adding an S580e soon that will employ their M256 I6 in a PHEV arrangement making about 500hp. BMW is cooking up something similar for an upcoming lineup of M50e models for their next generation. They may yet choose to position these as the replacements for, rather than additions to, the M50i lineup - we don't know.

But the top dog V8 M models will stick around for at least one more round.

[bayarea328xit]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Rest assured, V8 engines are going nowhere soon. Hybridized V8s will be mainstays this decade in performance vehicles from Germany and elsewhere.

This beast:

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...oupe-spy-shots

is ready to go and will debut very soon, and the engine will be used in other vehicles. BMW isn't going to watch their competitors from the sidelines.



Ironically, that's not necessarily the case. The reason is, 500hp isn't hard to reach with an I6 hybrid setup. In fact, Mercedes happens to be adding an S580e soon that will employ their M256 I6 in a PHEV arrangement making about 500hp. BMW is cooking up something similar for an upcoming lineup of M50e models for their next generation. They may yet choose to position these as the replacements for, rather than additions to, the M50i lineup - we don't know.

But the top dog V8 M models will stick around for at least one more round.

Thanks for your thoughts - really helpful.

Considering the added weight, (given where we are right now in terms of hp/tq output) I think hybridization of the V8 seems quite pointless other than for bragging rights.

Given what is likely the low fraction of V8s sold for the current models, I wonder how may sales they are going to get of the hybridized V8s.

It would be helpful to see the distribution of sales by # of cylinders for the 5, 7, 8, X5, X6, X7 (including Ms) for the past year.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by bayarea328xit

Considering the added weight, (given where we are right now in terms of hp/tq output) I think hybridization of the V8 seems quite pointless other than for bragging rights.

There's a bit of that, sure. However, I don't think Mercedes would have spent all that money with nothing to show for it. Expect the GT73e to trounce the GT63 model. But yes, it'll be interesting to see how much weight it gains.

It would be helpful to see the distribution of sales by # of cylinders for the 5, 7, 8, X5, X6, X7 (including Ms) for the past year.

Those numbers aren't public. However, we do have global BMW sales numbers and global BMW M sales numbers:

BMW = 2,028,659
BMW M = 144,218

So BMWs performance and high performance sales make up a little over 7% of their total. Since all BMW V8 models are now M models except the 750i, this number includes nearly all of the V8s. If we assume M models make up roughly the same percentage across each vehicle in the lineup, we can set an upper bound on the V8 at roughly 7% of BMW's engine mix in the 5/6/7/8 families. Yes, that assumption is a bit of a reach, and this is a very coarse grained analysis, so take it for what it's worth. But we know it's not completely in left field. My gut says that the actual V8 number is lower - perhaps around 5% - but that's just a SWAG.

[soheil]

Is there going to be any LCI or update to i3 for MY2022? I can't seem to find any info for i3 in OP's original post. If I'm not mistaken SOP should be in November

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by soheil

Is there going to be any LCI or update to i3 for MY2022? I can't seem to find any info for i3 in OP's original post. If I'm not mistaken SOP should be in November

No more i3 revisions. What you see is what you get, until the end of time (which is I believe how long BMW will keep making the i3).