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03-14-2013, 11:03 AM | #45 |
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The shift times are just navel gazing. DCT's advantage is about consistency. Long after the manual driver is tired and shifting slower at every turn, the DCT driver will still be banging out quick shifts.
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03-14-2013, 11:06 AM | #46 |
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Yes- Middle suspension mode (forget what it's called) gets MUCH firmer than full sport suspension mode- I switch to sport mode for relief and the engine/exhaust sound is much louder and always at the SAME time- comes and goes now and then- cannot reproduce for dealer- was more frequent- along with surge issue- before updates but still comes and goes now.
You car has intermittent stiffness adjustments made to the EDC system without you changing anything? I've never heard of anything even remotely similar to that.[/QUOTE] |
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03-14-2013, 11:06 AM | #47 |
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It's also a LOT easier to instruct a novice on track with a DCT versus a 6MT. It's truly scary what some novice 6MT drivers can do...
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03-14-2013, 11:06 AM | #48 |
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Its not just the shift speed the but the gearing is much more favorable as soon as you hit 3rd for the dct. 3rd and 4th which are typical 60 mph and 3rd is the most difference of all the gears so in 3rd the dct really pulls a lot harder than the manual and shifts faster so I really notice through 3rd and beginning of 4th the dct is really noticably faster. Which is nice as 3rd is where i do almost all of my WOT pulls on the freeway
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Sure i do...you also said "most manual drivers". Are we talking professional drag racers now or the BMW enthusiast who might take his car to the track now and then?
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03-14-2013, 11:13 AM | #50 |
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Wasn't this about the DCT Lag issue? I remember having that issue. After a few mods and installing the Evolve-R it was a non-issue. I don't know if its a fluke but just my experience. (For the record all my cars have been stick forever and I fell in love with DCT... only after that lag disappeared)
As far as the 6MT vs DCT shift-speed discussion, it seems to be a wasted argument. A majority of "enthusiasts" couldn't shift faster than DCT... now just imagine what percentage of M3 owners could actually shift faster than DCT. |
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Well, I'm not a professional drag racer, but I do have almost 35+ years of experience autocrossing, drag racing, track instructing, etc., so I suppose I'm considering myself when I consider a 6MT driver....i.e. a very experienced and competent 6MT driver which is what I was referring to in my quote above when saying a "good manual driver" and an "experienced manual driver." Note I also said "when driven by a seriously competent driver that is ". Regards, Chuck
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03-14-2013, 11:17 AM | #52 | |
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The drive is so much more rewarding. Don't get me wrong dct downshifts are great but perfecting that on a 6sp puts a smile on my face
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03-14-2013, 12:02 PM | #54 |
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Its easy to test...take a passenger, run full throttle in S2 and shift at the red line...watch your passengers head for zero movement.
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03-14-2013, 01:27 PM | #56 | |
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My reasoning is not flawed and I am certainly not the one making a fool out of themselves.
You stated the DCT is good for 25-50 HP. No matter how much subjective data and graphs you try to support this absurd statement and convince yourself.. it doesn't make it so. Quote:
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03-14-2013, 02:03 PM | #57 | |
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But as long as I treat it like a MT, in that I know exactly what gear I want and slecet that gear at the same point that I would when I was driving a 6MT and begin to depress my clutch, it works great. Only issue I have had (if you can even call it an issue) is if you are down shifting while coming to a stop, if its not aggressive enough to get a throttle blip, I get this clunky sound and a slight "shutter" or roughness. But its just the gearboxes personality on that one and I don't mind that, it adds personality to this beast which I like Hope for most this problems is gone. Cheers, e46e92
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Wow!
I was just drunk typing and wanted to get in a dig at BMWNA. I started up one of our old firestorms. In this car, I prefer a properly functioning DCT to the manual. But I do still enjoy banging out smooth fast double clutch downshifts. I absolutely hate trying to get a fast shift from 1st to second, though. Believe it or not, it took me a whole day to get used to the DCT on the track. My hands and feet had too much muscle memory from the manuals to co-ordinate myself with the paddle shifters.
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^^ That's it! No more posting while drinking for you...
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I'm not sure where the DCT stands with shift speeds, but I'm sure its no where near a Lambo or an F1 car |
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Why this thread turns into another DCT vs MT thread?
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...le+Feedfetcher DCT is faster in shift while MT is more involved in driving. To each of his/her own. |
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