Rod Bearings Pics From High Mileage 2011.75

[Doc Oc]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

No way it was bearing failure because our cars never do , the cause of the rattle noise of that S65 was only the noise of the aftermarket exhaust that's why they jumped out of the car and said.. What the hell was that ?... fuck !
So a new English word is born for both of us..."The Alarmist rattle noise" !
But honestly for me personal a rattle noise under the hood of a S65 sounds more as a Alarm noise ..

I don't understand what the hell you are saying half the time but I can't help but like you

[Limey]

I have a 2011.75 w just over 42k miles and am installing rod bearings next week, per Harrop's instructions, over 6 months since install cos I've procrastinated. I'll be installing the ARP kit after much deliberation vs the VAC. Anyone want an in the box VAC kit?

Haven't worried about the bearing thing really. Right or wrong. Hopefully they can hold out another few days

Seriously tho I'll be interested to see how they compare to yours. Not that I've been searching the forum for bearing threads but I've yet to see anyone replace a set that looked good.

Anyone?

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Doc Oc

I don't understand what the hell you are saying half the time but I can't help but like you

Yes , that was about my sarcastic reaction to Killerfish2012 , for him there is never something wrong with our bearings ...no matter what .
I posted that link with the video for him from the guy on the ring with bearing failure , this link with the video from the failure on the ring => # 1067 http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...786615&page=49
And probably you don't saw this link ?
And hope you got this situation now ?
He said to me who says it is bearing failure while loud rattle noises and smoke came from under the hood...
C'mon rattle noises and smoke from under the hood of a S65...What could this be ?
That's why my sarcastic comment like....The rattle noise was only caused by the aftermarket exhaust ect...
Also my English is not 100% and I have sometimes troubles with the grammar .
I speak and read ....write 4 languages, but English is not my first language..my first language is Flemish ,because I live in the flemish part of Belgium.
Sorry for that bro , I'm working on my English but it takes time and I just know that my grammar really s@cks .
Thank you for your kind words .

[Doc Oc]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Yes , that was about my sarcastic reaction to Killerfish2012 , for him there is never something wrong with our bearings ...no matter what .
I posted that link with the video for him from the guy on the ring with bearing failure , this link with the video from the failure on the ring => # 1067 http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...786615&page=49
And probably you don't saw this link ?
And hope you got this situation now ?
He said to me who says it is bearing failure while loud rattle noises and smoke came from under the hood...
C'mon rattle noises and smoke from under the hood of a S65...What could this be ?
That's why my sarcastic comment like....The rattle noise was only caused by the aftermarket exhaust ect...
Also my English is not 100% and I have sometimes troubles with the grammar .
I speak and read ....write 4 languages, but English is not my first language..my first language is Flemish ,because I live in the flemish part of Belgium.
Sorry for that bro , I'm working on my English but it takes time and I just know that my grammar really s@cks .
Thank you for your kind words .

I had a few beers in me last night when I posted that Totally understand the language barrier. I only speak one and am still not very good at it!

[Doc Oc]

Originally Posted by Limey

I have a 2011.75 w just over 42k miles and am installing rod bearings next week, per Harrop's instructions, over 6 months since install cos I've procrastinated. I'll be installing the ARP kit after much deliberation vs the VAC. Anyone want an in the box VAC kit?

Haven't worried about the bearing thing really. Right or wrong. Hopefully they can hold out another few days

Seriously tho I'll be interested to see how they compare to yours. Not that I've been searching the forum for bearing threads but I've yet to see anyone replace a set that looked good.

Anyone?

What is the ARP kit and why did you choose it over VAC? Right now VAC is the only one advertised as extra clearance is the reason I ask.

[Limey]

Originally Posted by Doc Oc

What is the ARP kit and why did you choose it over VAC? Right now VAC is the only one advertised as extra clearance is the reason I ask.

More clearance primarily. VAC's are coated. ARP's are treated. It's still subjective. Personal choice.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Doc Oc

I had a few beers in me last night when I posted that Totally understand the language barrier. I only speak one and am still not very good at it!

No problem with that bro .
What do you think of the video/link of that BF on the ring ?
You should "hear" my English accent ...
Another problem that I have is that they want a interview of me here => http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1140833
So I refused more than once...She said to me you can type English...so you can speak too..

[Rat3d ///M]

Originally Posted by Ashley Schaeffer BMW

The guys who make the aftermarket bearings must love this forum.

Changing bearings at 34k? I have 117k and it's not even on my radar.

Ditto. I'll worry about it when/if they fail. Until then, I am more focused on modding and enjoying the car IMHO people give this issue more attention than it warrants.

[Doc Oc]

Originally Posted by Limey

More clearance primarily. VAC's are coated. ARP's are treated. It's still subjective. Personal choice.

Oh, you mean wpc treated bearings with ARP bolts right? According to the testing done here the VAC's were thinner I thought...

[Doc Oc]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Yes , that was about my sarcastic reaction to Killerfish2012 , for him there is never something wrong with our bearings ...no matter what .
I posted that link with the video for him from the guy on the ring with bearing failure , this link with the video from the failure on the ring => # 1067 http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...786615&page=49
And probably you don't saw this link ?
And hope you got this situation now ?
He said to me who says it is bearing failure while loud rattle noises and smoke came from under the hood...
C'mon rattle noises and smoke from under the hood of a S65...What could this be ?
That's why my sarcastic comment like....The rattle noise was only caused by the aftermarket exhaust ect...
Also my English is not 100% and I have sometimes troubles with the grammar .
I speak and read ....write 4 languages, but English is not my first language..my first language is Flemish ,because I live in the flemish part of Belgium.
Sorry for that bro , I'm working on my English but it takes time and I just know that my grammar really s@cks .
Thank you for your kind words .

That rattle was a rod knocking like crazy. Have they diagnosed it as bearing failure or do we know yet?

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Doc Oc

That rattle was a rod knocking like crazy. Have they diagnosed it as bearing failure or do we know yet?

I know nothing about the BF failure of that guy , and I saw no comments on his Youtube channel .
Also no match for he's username on here , so it's no member on here .
And of course it was BF because smoke came from under the hood and the rattle noises...ohhh man , so there was probably also a black hole in S65 engine block .
So sadly it's a + 1 on the counter on here .

[aussiem3]

If ever there has been a problem with no answer, then it's the bearing issue with S65. I think this has gone on enough to dump this $shit. If the engine fails so be it. People die. Man, I don't know how many internet hours have been wasted on this BS. Just drive the bloody car and have a grin. If the engine blows then wipe it off.

Seriously guys, did you buy a car to have sleepless nights over something that may happen, or to enjoy it. Go figure.

Every time, there is a ticking noise or someone changing the bearing, a new thread and a new theory, and all the BS that goes with it.

Why won't you just sell the bloody thing and buy an indestructible Toyota. At least you will sleep well at night and save $2500 on bearing, and not spend countless hours on the internet.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by aussiem3

If ever there has been a problem with no answer, then it's the bearing issue with S65. I think this has gone on enough to dump this $shit. If the engine fails so be it. People die. Man, I don't know how many internet hours have been wasted on this BS. Just drive the bloody car and have a grin. If the engine blows then wipe it off.

Seriously guys, did you buy a car to have sleepless nights over something that may happen, or to enjoy it. Go figure.

Every time, there is a ticking noise or someone changing the bearing, a new thread and a new theory, and all the BS that goes with it.

Why won't you just sell the bloody thing and buy an indestructible Toyota. At least you will sleep well at night and save $2500 on bearing, and not spend countless hours on the internet.

Agreed with your statement my friend .
So I was thinking back on your post...comment from you yesterday and thought it's all about this ..
You said in your last words of that comment..."This could have been one of us" => post #1077 http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...786615&page=49
And so I thought...It's actually all about that and why we see all these reactions in case of BF .
In other words..We are the owers of such an amazing car and at the same time it gives us a really unreliable feeling of the car , and that's why we see emotions that speak .

[aussiem3]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Agreed with your statement my friend .
So I was thinking back on your post...comment from you yesterday and thought it's all about this ..
You said in your last words of that comment..."This could have been one of us" => post #1077 http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...786615&page=49
And so I thought...It's actually all about that and why we see all these reactions in case of BF .
In other words..We are the owers of such an amazing car and at the same time it gives us a really unreliable feeling of the car , and that's why we see emotions that speak .

Absolutely. The point is we're all letting a car rule our emotions. Me included. We all get swept away by this, and worry over may be nothing. Yes, BF does happen. But lets face it, have we really got to the bottom of this? I don't think we ever will.

Look, I tried M1 0w-40, and I started to hear strange noise through the exhaust, at start up and after properly warmed. The start up was way too loud for my liking, and some vibration through the exhaust. May be because I have test pipes. I was not convinced. Swapped over to TWS, and it all sounded normal. Yes, my oil test came up with 1 ppm of lead compared to 5 ppm with TWS. But what's the trade off.

That's why I said, there is no solution. I cannot be bothered anymore. I've had the car for eight years now, and touchwood, no major dramas. Life is too short.

I thought I had a perfect marriage only to realise that I was kidding myself. So, if the engine blows, it's no biggie for me anymore!

[Limey]

Originally Posted by aussiem3

If ever there has been a problem with no answer, then it's the bearing issue with S65. I think this has gone on enough to dump this $shit. If the engine fails so be it. People die. Man, I don't know how many internet hours have been wasted on this BS. Just drive the bloody car and have a grin. If the engine blows then wipe it off.

Seriously guys, did you buy a car to have sleepless nights over something that may happen, or to enjoy it. Go figure.

Every time, there is a ticking noise or someone changing the bearing, a new thread and a new theory, and all the BS that goes with it.

Why won't you just sell the bloody thing and buy an indestructible Toyota. At least you will sleep well at night and save $2500 on bearing, and not spend countless hours on the internet.

Amen. The odds of you totaling your car are probably higher than blowing your bearings. Just drive and enjoy it or sell it for something more reliable if your scared to drive it.

[BMRLVR]

Originally Posted by aussiem3

Absolutely. The point is we're all letting a car rule our emotions. Me included. We all get swept away by this, and worry over may be nothing. Yes, BF does happen. But lets face it, have we really got to the bottom of this? I don't think we ever will.

Look, I tried M1 0w-40, and I started to hear strange noise through the exhaust, at start up and after properly warmed. The start up was way too loud for my liking, and some vibration through the exhaust. May be because I have test pipes. I was not convinced. Swapped over to TWS, and it all sounded normal. Yes, my oil test came up with 1 ppm of lead compared to 5 ppm with TWS. But what's the trade off.

That's why I said, there is no solution. I cannot be bothered anymore. I've had the car for eight years now, and touchwood, no major dramas. Life is too short.

I thought I had a perfect marriage only to realise that I was kidding myself. So, if the engine blows, it's no biggie for me anymore!

We should definitely drive the car and not let it rule is but also, something as easy as a inspecting/changing the bearings as a maintenance item could save your engine! God knows lots have failed, we have seen the photos/threads.

Anyhow, your statement of hearing the exhaust sound change because of an engine oil is laughable! That is impossible, you need to think about this rationally, you saw less lead from 0W40 but you are now running TWS again because of a change in exhaust sound that was all in your head. I think by reading your posts you actually are letting this get you crazier than the guys that just choose to swap their bearings for peace of mind and keep driving their cars.

I obviously am one of the believers that proper clearance on the rod bearings will rectify any issue the S65/S85 is having with accelerated bearing wear. One could either buy the VAC added clearance bearings, the WPC bearings or wait for the custom Clevite bearings that should be available in October and install them and ensure their engine lives a long life. Option two is they could come on here and hijack threads saying they are sick of this shit and people are all crazy but the risk of their engine blowing up is still there, and it is actually greater because they choose not to be proactive and listen to people that know engines who are trying to help them save theirs. Take your pick which one you want to be.

[Killerfish2012]

People who cross compare engine components across various manufacturers, yet dismiss the WIDELY varying ranges of maintenance practices, make no sense. Also YES, this stuff if getting blown out of proportion by attention seekers. If you genuinely want to help others with this issue and not draw attention to yourself, then please put these "preventive maintenance, bearing picture" threads in the MAINTENANCE section, where they belong, and not in the engine modification section for unnecessary arguments, and high thread views.

[BMRLVR]

Originally Posted by Killerfish2012

People who cross compare engine components across various manufacturers, yet dismiss the WIDELY varying ranges of maintenance practices, make no sense. Also YES, this stuff if getting blown out of proportion by attention seekers. If you genuinely want to help others with this issue and not draw attention to yourself, then please put these "preventive maintenance, bearing picture" threads in the MAINTENANCE section, where they belong, and not in the engine modification section for unnecessary arguments, and high thread views.

No attention seeking here my friend, just replying to the thread. If these replies/threads bother you choose to not look at them or to not reply yourself.

[Icecreamfoo]

Originally Posted by Doc Oc

I just did mine as well. They looked much worse than yours. Yours are the best I've ever seen here. It's nice to know you won't be chewing up the new bearings anytime soon. I also had split motor mounts coincidentally.

Yea, glad to see you caught yours in time bro! And with the motor mount fixed your car should drive a good deal smoother, too. I actually replaced my passenger side tourn mount 2 months ago, and that made a world of difference while also cured a previously unfixable steering wheel vibration at freeway speed. Now with the driver side changed as well, she drives good as new

Originally Posted by BMRLVR

I was just speaking to one of my engine guy peers and he pointed out something that made a lot of sense after I thought about it. So please read some food for thought I have written below.

The bearings in this thread are the new 702/703 bearings that were introduced sometime in 2010 production year cars. Since these bearings are Aluminium/tin bearings they are going to show wear much differently than the older 088/089 lead/copper/steel bearings. Basically since there is no soft lead (Babbitt) overlay on these 702/703 bearings they will not look as bad as the 088/089 bearings even if they are experiencing the same type of operating condition.

So when you see these newer lead free bearings that "look" better after being in an engine for an equal mileage as the old lead/copper/steel bearings, you are only seeing the additional surface hardness of the bearing shell better able to take contact from the crank journal in boundary lubrication conditions caused by breakdown in the hydrodynamic lubrication in the bearing. A better looking bearing shell doesn't mean a better functioning bearing, the lubrication issue, which I believe is insufficient clearance, still needs to be addressed to actually correct the bearing issue.

One big issue I can see with these newer bearings is increased chance of crank journal damage due to the harder surface of the shell.

save some of your time arguing with the naysayers, we all make our own decisions and some simply don't believe it, or care, and that's fine. They're not interested in the additional information, and I certainly don't give a rats ass about their 2 cents. Also keep in mind that many folks are still under original warranty or covered by CPO/3rd party policies, so less worries for them, too. I think what you said above is one of the reasons I felt like sharing mine bearing swap outcome, as there have been few reports on S65s with the non-lead based bearings. I too share the belief that the engines that has seized/broke due to BF are truly in the minority %, but I have also heard of 2011+ failures from local shops; broken engine is not small things people joke about. Maybe or hopefully it is true that the new bearings are better able to take contact and withstand wear. Since mine is a high mileage engine that was supposedly built with the newer bearings, and I decided to take out my insurance policy on it, just figured I post it up and add to the record book. If my results instill confidence in owners that the 702/703 bearings are stronger and will last much longer, and therefore make them less nervous about post June 2011 built S65s, that's great too

[Mr. Liu]

Originally Posted by Icecreamfoo

Yea, glad to see you caught yours in time bro! And with the motor mount fixed your car should drive a good deal smoother, too. I actually replaced my passenger side tourn mount 2 months ago, and that made a world of difference while also cured a previously unfixable steering wheel vibration at freeway speed. Now with the driver side changed as well, she drives good as new



save some of your time arguing with the naysayers, we all make our own decisions and some simply don't believe it, or care, and that's fine. They're not interested in the additional information, and I certainly don't give a rats ass about their 2 cents. Also keep in mind that many folks are still under original warranty or covered by CPO/3rd party policies, so less worries for them, too. I think what you said above is one of the reasons I felt like sharing mine bearing swap outcome, as there have been few reports on S65s with the non-lead based bearings. I too share the belief that the engines that has seized/broke due to BF are truly in the minority %, but I have also heard of 2011+ failures from local shops; broken engine is not small things people joke about. Maybe or hopefully it is true that the new bearings are better able to take contact and withstand wear. Since mine is a high mileage engine that was supposedly built with the newer bearings, and I decided to take out my insurance policy on it, just figured I post it up and add to the record book. If my results instill confidence in owners that the 702/703 bearings are stronger and will last much longer, and therefore make them less nervous about post June 2011 built S65s, that's great too

Where is the information about exactly when the switch over to non lead bearings occured? My 2011 was built in June 2010 as a 2011 model, still trying to figure out if I have lead based or not.

[Doc Oc]

Originally Posted by Mr. Liu

Where is the information about exactly when the switch over to non lead bearings occured? My 2011 was built in June 2010 as a 2011 model, still trying to figure out if I have lead based or not.

Have you done a uoa? I'd think that would tell you. Shouldn't be any lead with the later bearings.

[thekurgan]

Originally Posted by Mr. Liu

Where is the information about exactly when the switch over to non lead bearings occured? My 2011 was built in June 2010 as a 2011 model, still trying to figure out if I have lead based or not.

Just do an analysis. You would have zero lead anywhere in the report.