"It's Incredibly Confusing To Put A $127,000 BMW M6 In Park"

[mjposner]

My 1966 Corvair automatic was so cheap, it also did not come with a park, just reverse, neutral, drive and low on a dash shifter. Either leave in gear (won't start in gear though) or put in neutral and apply parking brake.

[US///M3]

Originally Posted by rabman5

Seriously, back in the 80s people said the same thing about power window and door locks. It's called progress.

People said the same about auto park, it's called progress. You don't know how to parallel park, you're a soccer mom who doesn't know how to drive a MT but still want to be a race car driver poseur, now you can.

[FVM3]

Originally Posted by VMcV3y

When I first drove my E93 with DCT, the guy at BMW Welt did not mention the "P" function.

I drove out of the Welt and went to the first petrol station. I came to rest by the fuel pumps and looked for the "P" on the gear shift. Didn't see one.

I asked my passenger to reach in the back seat and grab the manual.

And I turned off the engine.

What do you know? The "P" indicator magically appears on the instrumentation display.

Now, as a person that drives this car almost every day since March 2013 (30,000 miles) I can absolutely state that this is so frakking simple that it's like someone (who doesn't own a refrigerator) bitchin' that they don't know why they have to press a lever to get ice to fall out of the door when they could just open the door and grab a handful.

I'll describe the complicated process to place a DCT vehicle into "Park"

1. Turn off engine.

For the naysayers, here is a seven-second YouTube video:

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30k miles just from march 2013?

[drburton]

I think many of you are missing the point here with the comments on 'this is progress' etc... Maybe the car automatically going into Park when shut off is progress, but the system with the warning message as shown in the article is counter intuitive. You get a warning to put the car in park, but there is no option to put it in park on the gear shifter. Maybe the message should say, "turn off the car to engage Park". The existing message 'implies' that you should take some additional action before turning the car off.

[VMcV3y]

Originally Posted by FVM3

30k miles just from march 2013?

OOoooooooops! Since 2012. Will fix it.

Thanks.


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[US///M3]

Originally Posted by VMcV3y

When I first drove my E93 with DCT, the guy at BMW Welt did not mention the "P" function.

I drove out of the Welt and went to the first petrol station. I came to rest by the fuel pumps and looked for the "P" on the gear shift. Didn't see one.

I asked my passenger to reach in the back seat and grab the manual.


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So easy, you asked for the manual to put the car in park.

[US///M3]

Originally Posted by drburton

I think many of you are missing the point here with the comments on 'this is progress' etc... Maybe the car automatically going into Park when shut off is progress, but the system with the warning message as shown in the article is counter intuitive. You get a warning to put the car in park, but there is no option to put it in park on the gear shifter. Maybe the message should say, "turn off the car to engage Park". The existing message 'implies' that you should take some additional action before turning the car off.

Thank-you!

[rabman5]

Originally Posted by drburton

I think many of you are missing the point here with the comments on 'this is progress' etc... Maybe the car automatically going into Park when shut off is progress, but the system with the warning message as shown in the article is counter intuitive. You get a warning to put the car in park, but there is no option to put it in park on the gear shifter. Maybe the message should say, "turn off the car to engage Park". The existing message 'implies' that you should take some additional action before turning the car off.

The point you are missing is that is an error message that only happens when the door is opened while the car is still running. The message does imply that you should take action (turn off the car, which puts the car in park) before exiting the vehicle. Really not that difficult.

[kawasaki00]

I am now dumber than I was 10 minutes ago after reading this entire thread. Geez

[chris s]

Originally Posted by Majin Buu

At least my name actually has a meaning. What does your stupid name mean? What the heck is an ilsmku? Does it actually stand for something? Or did you just type random letters on a keyboard to come up with your username? Oh and do you mind finding someone else to stalk instead? There are 7 billion people on this planet. You've wasted enough time stalking me. At this rate you will grow old and die before you get the chance to go through the entire human population and stalk them.

Trust me....he's not the only one who notices your annoying, incessant posts. You're a troll....a newbie troll, nothing more. Nothing valuable to add to any discussion other than a differing opinion just because you can. You got an e9x M3 at the end of it's life cycle, joined the forum and you like stirring the pot on issues which have been debated ages ago and which nobody cares about anymore.

You won't last here for long. Enjoy your time!

[US///M3]

Originally Posted by rabman5

The point you are missing is that is an error message that only happens when the door is opened while the car is still running. The message does imply that you should take action (turn off the car, which puts the car in park) before exiting the vehicle. Really not that difficult.

A logical person wouldn't assume turning off the engine puts the car in park.
Nobody is arguing once you know that fact, it's still difficult.
People jump from car to car without the need to read the manual on how to put specific vehicles in park.

[klammer]

Evolve or die! Extinction is the rule, survival the exception
The world is becoming increasingly complex and convoluted, adapt or GTFO!

[blackfunk]

Originally Posted by US///M3

A logical person wouldn't assume turning off the engine puts the car in park.
Nobody is arguing once you know that fact, it's still difficult.
People jump from car to car without the need to read the manual on how to put specific vehicles in park.

Couldn't agree more. After my brother bought his X6 I went out with both him and my dad, who is by no means someone I'd consider a dumb individual. We left him in the car and he needed to move it, after we got back to the car he was like why the hell is this shifter so stupid? Should he really need to rtfm after driving for the better part of 50yrs?

Everyone in my family now has BMW's but I can honestly say the shifter is different just to be different. It is not better.

I now have an Audi S4 and my buddy has a panamera pdk - I've never needed to read the manual on how to get them into park.

[VMcV3y]

Originally Posted by US///M3

So easy, you asked for the manual to put the car in park.

And did not need the manual. Figured it out before I opened the book.

By the way, there are tons of things in the manual that many people need to read about. How to work Comfort Access for the trunk-while-top-down; where's the oil dip stick (ain't none); how to do a software update. For a few of those, I've had to crack open the book more than once. For the "P" on DCT -- just turn off the engine.

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[Majin Buu]

Originally Posted by VMcV3y

And did not need the manual. Figured it out before I opened the book.

By the way, there are tons of things in the manual that many people need to read about. How to work Comfort Access for the trunk-while-top-down; where's the oil dip stick (ain't none); how to do a software update. For a few of those, I've had to crack open the book more than once. For the "P" on DCT -- just turn off the engine.

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The manual says how to do a software update???????

[VMcV3y]

Originally Posted by Majin Buu

The manual says how to do a software update???????

Yes, it does. Page 201 of "The BMW M3. Owner's Manual."

Why all the ???????'s?


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[US///M3]

Originally Posted by klammer

Evolve or die! Extinction is the rule, survival the exception
The world is becoming increasingly complex and convoluted, adapt or GTFO!

"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction."

Albert Einstein

Subaru BRZ, Mazda Miata...

[Majin Buu]

Originally Posted by VMcV3y

Yes, it does. Page 201 of "The BMW M3. Owner's Manual."

Why all the ???????'s?


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My page 201 is totally blank. Do you mean updating the hard drive for the navigation system? I have the 2008 CD based nav.

[VMcV3y]

Originally Posted by Majin Buu

My page 201 is totally blank. Do you mean updating the hard drive for the navigation system? I have the 2008 CD based nav.

I just looked back at the (c) 2010 manual, and it doesn't have the information.

My manual is (c) 2011 for Model Year 2012, and it is on page 201.

www.bmwusa.com/update is a referenced URL, too, but it's a dead link!


See pic of manual page.

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[klammer]

Originally Posted by US///M3

"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction."

Albert Einstein

Subaru BRZ, Mazda Miata...

Agreed, but look at life in general and the increasing complexity, from the Cambrian explosion (the true sexual revolution) to us and the increasing complexity of the social systems we are in...it's not so much about simplifying things rather understanding that things are complex and not black & white. And my universal truth still stands, extinction is the rule...we will be replaced soon enough, starting with those that can't park a car

[Vic311]

Originally Posted by klammer

Evolve or die! Extinction is the rule, survival the exception
The world is becoming increasingly complex and convoluted, adapt or GTFO!

Wow the condescension is high on this one.

So easy a caveman can do it..eh?

[klammer]

Originally Posted by Vic311

Wow the condescension is high on this one.

So easy a caveman can do it..eh?