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Someone once posted something that I will share. It went something like this - No one in an M3 ever pulled up next to 335 at a stop light and said to them self, "damn, I wish I got that car".
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06-09-2012, 04:38 PM | #46 |
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for all those who mentioned fuel economy as a factor..... efff offffff. The only reasons you would care about gas mileage are
a. You cant afford the extra 150 bucks a month on gas!! b. your a enviro friendly, green, tree hugger c. gas mileage is a priority as a purchase decision If you are either of these or think gas mileage is a priority then the M3 or any GT performance car should never be a thought... buy a prius |
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I can't write much but suffice to say it just feels like another class of car. Although I think the 335i is the best value in its (own) class.
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* OP, I love the engine in the car and how your can stretch it out over its long rev range and to me, it makes it that much more rewarding to drive than a turbo-charged car. The engine in the 1/335 makes effortless power but it doesn't quicken my pulse because the car requires so little interaction to keep it within it's power band. I don't need to drive much so I need to enjoy driving the car when I do. * Regarding the Fuel Economy, I would like more if it were better: poor fuel economy + small fuel tank means you're always at the gas station. I get about 250 km a tank in the city and about 300 km on the highway. As my low fuel light comes on with a 100 km or so left in the tank, I constantly feel like I'm stopping for gas. (And as someone else as mentioned, the car is also super thirsty at the track - make sure you have access to gas - as I can barely get to noon without needing a top-up) * Despite what I've said above, If taking long drives in this car is not your primary reason for getting it (it's capable but there are better GT cars for this), I'd get the M3 as the driving experience is more special. I think the 135/335 are competent vehicles, but rather souless: a German appliance as tuned from the factory. Really bland. But, now even though I've had the M3 coming up to four years now, the car still feels special when I fire it up.
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06-10-2012, 11:47 AM | #49 | |
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From my point of view, this is an incredibly good car, with an amazing array of capabilities, but the M guys should be ashamed of themselves in the one area of fuel economy. On technical grounds, there is no way a 3600 pound car with a four-liter engine should get mileage this bad. Just no way. Horsepower is not an important issue in this regard, since the EPA tests are so gentle. And get off your snob horse (see A and B, sbove). Any person with even a few firing neurons should have some concern about fuel usage. Personally, if I see just one more report on "Bad News for Polar Bears", I may vomit. How about a "Good News for Arctic Seals" report instead. That said, it's clear that there will be continuing pressure on fossil fuel availability and pricing from now on. Politically, I don't give a damn about gas hogs, but better mileage from any given performance package is a no-brainer good thing - and it seems clear the M guys missed the boat on this. Simple gearing changes could improve the M3's EPA numbers, and tuning can address throttle response issues that might arise. Hell, if the current Mustang and Camaro entries can beat up on the M3, mileage-wise, and even the RS5 appears to be better in that regard, then BMW has screwed up in this regard, for no obvious reason. I'm personally a fan of the M3's top-gear acceleration and throttle response, but would be willing to give some of that up in favor of respectable highway mileage. Bruce |
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Please correct if I'm wrong but I believe any car any that has this kinda power so high in the rpm range gets poor fuel mileage. That's a tradeoff I'll HAPPILY make. It's simple math really. The more rpm's your using, the more fuel your using. Even the Wankel powered 1.3 liter rotary in the now deceased RX-8 got piss poor mileage. That thing revved over 9k rpm and strangely consumed oil, just like some of ours...hmmm. It's a matter of priorities. I'll take the lack of fuel economy for all the other attributes the car has.
I think the only only exception to this engine rule right now is the Coyote V8 that Ford builds for the Mustang. It's efficient, revs high and has alot of power uptop but still only revs to 7.5k rpm I believe. Great engine but I'll still live with what I have, ANY DAY.
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You have no idea my level of automobile enthusiasm, my full realm of auto driving, much less anything else. Having built race car engines, worked on exotic cars (Lamborghini), road raced motorcycles, etc., I love motorsports, but some performance vehicles are better suited to my urban driving conditions than others. Of course I would prefer the M3, but there will be some compromises vs the 335i, and if not too severe, would still opt for the M3. If I was as you described, I would have never owned a prior M3 or ridden stiff riding ucomfortable motorcycles. The suggestion I get a 328i is absurd. I don't know where your hostility comes from, but it serves no useful purpose here other than to steer people to other forums. Thankfully, some others here did provide useful information. |
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06-10-2012, 02:37 PM | #54 |
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You should have just bought one nicer car like a Porches!
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The bolded sections above hit home. Yes, the M3 IS special. It may not be needed or ideal for my driving environment, but just driving a car like this, at ANY time, ANYWHERE can be rewarding. Those comments reminded me that I found my old M3 enjoyable ALL the time, whether through a school zone, pulling hard at high rpm, or flinging it down a back road, or just a brisk ride with wife and daughter. My Porsche Cayman S is more narrowly focused with more compromises for street driving which is what gave me pause on the new M3. Has the focus on constantly increased performance (great!) resulted in compromises in the M3 that are really just too much for a typical urban environment? Responses so far make it easier now to understand the real question. Of course the 335i (or something far less) is the best sedan for the majority of my driving...if you look at it from a purely practical point of view and exclude passion and lust for fine performance engineering that sits in your garage, ready to devour pavement, straight or winding, with grace, speed, control, precision, luxury, and sound. You may not use all it can offer, but you can still feel and enjoy a lot of the soul of the car at any speed. Phil |
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My ONLY point is that I think the M guys dropped the ball in this one area. Otherwise, the car is damned close to being a paragon. Bruce |
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I love having cars with different characters and the N54 is a great engine for daily driver. Porsche is great sports car but simply too impractical.
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I converted to the E92 M3 world after borrowing a E92 M3 instead of my Cayman for a track event, I was blown away by how much more capable the car was at the limit. |
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The 335i is a great DD. The M's suspension geometry is currently second to none though. Although, I personally think their main rival Mercedes-Benz has come pretty close with the C63 AMG. I love feedback I'm getting through the twisty stuff. I know exactly what the tires are doing. Unfortunately, that's not the case at slower speeds. The steering gets too light.
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Are you HotIce's smurf or something? You two do nothing but rag on the M3. The S65 simply put, is an engineering marvel. |
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But seriously, I think my M3 is as good as a daily as my sisters 335i and more fun in every department! Thanks to M button and specially EDC! |
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I agree with you that M3 is fine as a daily driver but the low end torque in the N54 is really enjoyable plus the 1 series is a fun car in its own way, smaller and and more like the traditional BMWs. |
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