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10-27-2007, 10:20 PM | #47 | |
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My full reply to you is over there. In short a proper suspension is not nearly enough of an explanation to explain the difference. As far as a result I don't like - that is completely uncalled for. I really like this car and very much appreciate the amazing engineering it embodies. I have already commended the lap time as a great accomplishment. However, all that being said I will still stick to my motto - you can not argue with the physics. |
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10-28-2007, 03:07 AM | #48 |
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Don't transmissions mess with your "can't mess with physics" calculations? Take a look at that GT-R video again lapping the Nordschleife. That transmission...see how its shifting? I mean just listen to the thing.
I'm certain that is contributing to its stellar lap time ^_^ |
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12-09-2007, 03:07 PM | #50 |
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7:50 is the official time from Sportauto. Again not a huge surprise, factory aces are way faster than Horst. Either way this nicely puts the 7:38 time in perspective.
Original link on this forum with som discussion here. Also for those of you that remember the fun regression analysis thread here is my take on this 10-15 seconds of the amount that the car was an outlier in that analysis due to the driver, the other 10-15 seconds due to the tires being a semi-race (but street legal) compound. After these two facts the time makes perfect sense with the regression! |
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12-09-2007, 03:27 PM | #51 |
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Wow, you are really hung up on this one...
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12-09-2007, 03:51 PM | #52 | |
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12-09-2007, 04:03 PM | #53 |
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12-09-2007, 04:13 PM | #54 |
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Honestly, I couldn't care less if the GTR had a 6:04. It looks like something straight out of 2 Fast, 2 Furious. It's a boy-racer car with zero class and design fidelity.
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12-09-2007, 04:40 PM | #55 | |
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A bit harsh. I might not like the interior design or should I say the lack of it but I can't knock the technical achievement that Nissan have done with this car, they have produced a car which is technically more advanced than any current BMW with more performance, will out handle any current BMW and yet still costs less than BMW's cheapest M car. No I might ever want or buy one but this is a seriously monumental car that proves without a shadow of a doubt the Japanese can built a car to equal the best from Europe and by this I don't mean BMW, I mean Porsche and Ferrari, the two greatest sportscar manufacturers. |
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12-09-2007, 04:47 PM | #56 |
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1+ Not very stylish if you are into the look of the BMW.
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12-09-2007, 05:40 PM | #57 |
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GT-R design
I'm getting but IMO the GT-R is not about being stylish: it well reflects the design ethic as a purpose-built piece of high-tech go-fast machinery. It's menacing, has design language that is consistent w/ its own heritage (those signature taillights for e.g.) while being brutally, purposefully modern, like a stealthy fighter - ie, a F-22 is not as balanced/pretty as a F-14, IMO, but the former is thoroughly modern in that form is more determined by function, not aesthetics.
So the GT-R works for me in that frame / context while it's not at all beautiful. Nor was it meant to be. If we spoke in English w/ more genders (as in German) the GT-R wouldn't be female in gender - it's neuter!
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12-09-2007, 06:24 PM | #58 |
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I think it's hot. Yeah, it's a litttle ricer, but not too much, in my opinion. It has a raw presence to it. The driving experience, I'm sure will be thrilling.
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My medium-term goal is to take delivery in Bayern and get over to the 'Ring as fast as the A9 , A99, A5 then A61 will take me
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12-09-2007, 08:07 PM | #60 | |
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@South: I know it is old news but that is one of the biggest problems with news - no one follows up the headlines (the headline being 7:38) with the analysis (courtesy of my idea and lucids excellent execution) then finally bringing it full circle with the SA time and an analysis of that. Don't you wish TV news had such follow through! @leakybimmer: I don't understand your cryptic posts and butting in to every little discussion with some BS off the cuff comment about me. Say what you have to say, say it in a straight forward afashion and say to "to my face" (as much as you can do that on the internet...). Otherwise put a cork in it! |
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Anyway I'm afraid that these people won't post here and say: "Hey, you're right, we were jumping on this wagon too early." It's just like news: Everybody watches the "breaking news", nobody the revocation. Best regards, south |
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12-10-2007, 07:34 AM | #65 |
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Speaking of fan boys, the GT-R's laps are fully documented, picked apart and hashed over. We know it is faster than a 911TT no matter whose numbers you use.
Where have we seen ANYTHING about the M3 other than a few speculative quotes? BMW is even taking orders sans pricing! None of the GT-R preview and review articles question the performance, imho where it may fall flat is in its everyday usability. I think they might have produced the Nissan 928 GTS. Fast, heavy, and finicky. |
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