M3 vs 2012 C63 AMG Coupe

[335_MI6]

Originally Posted by gthal

And you have driven a 2012 C63? My guess is not so you are speculating based on what you read on pre-2012 cars. Having said that, I feel that the driving dynamics of the M3 are still better but not by very much after the 2012 model was released with tweaks. The power on the P31 package AMG is WAY stronger than the M3. Overall, the new AMG and the M3 are very close in many ways and down to personal preference IMO (with my personal preference still slightly in favour of the M3).

i driven a 2010 c63 4 door

[VroooMMM]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

nice review. so disappointing that merc amg cars are not offered with manual transmissions

Amen to that. It's my main complaint with the AMG line.

[Black Gold]

Originally Posted by VroooMMM

Amen to that. It's my main complaint with the AMG line.

yep

one of the reasons i bought an m3 instead. though i do love my m3, and am super happy with it

[Moo]

Drove a (non-2012) ML63 AMG last night, that engine felt great even when contained within a 5000 lbs vehicle

[LindaTheCat]

It sounds to me many on this sector don't know what they need in their life. I've personally owned a 2010 C63 with rear-diff option. I've driven it across Canada. Quite comfortable during the journey as you would expect from any merc models. The only up side of it was manic straight line acceleration and engine noise. The steering wheel was too loose, exhaust noise became irritating after 30 minutes of driving or if your mood is under the weather. You would go through a pair of rear tires within 7000 kms. You will travel more frequently between a petrol station and somewhere else. For any rainy days, even if it was just a drizzling you spin. If you turn too sharp, you spin. Mind you mine has the diff, it gets even worse cause every time you got near throttle it kills the power thus the fun.

To me an AMG is just for others to appreciate the madness of the engineers, teenage gather together to post videos on YouTube. It scares the driver and gives the elders an heart attack if you accidentally rev over 4000 rpm in front of a manor.

As a result I've crashed it and switched to a bimmer. Should've got into an M3, but never mind I am now contemplating about the colour combination. Maybe Hellrot with rust brown, just to make it look like an Italiano.

To conclude, people out there lay out your priority list. If you need a car that shout about itself while makes the owner think he's cut a deal, get an AMG. If you want to be happy and enjoy driving get a driver's car which comes with an M badger.

[gthal]

Sorry to hear you crashed the C63. I'd be careful with the M3 as well as it can also be a little tail happy for an inexperienced driver (not saying that's you) with the nannies turned off. The best investment anyone driving a C63 or M3 can make is spending a great deal of time at the track.

Also I think the 2010 model was a little less refined and tail happy than the 2012 coupe version of the C63. Having said that, the M3 is still the better pure driving car.

[JonnyM3]

Originally Posted by shift@red

Agreed...they are so close in most way. Even before the latest tweaks they were so close. Ive driven one on the track, and they are no slouch in speed or handling. Sure the M3 is a little more refined, but neither of these cars are going to compete as the worlds best driver's car or anything close since they still give up A LOT of feel and precision and outside of their class dont hold a candle to whats available on the market.
If the c63 had a manual, I would have taken a more serious look since the aggressive looks, sound, etc is all there.

Idk why you even have an M3 lol. Between these two it's all personal preference. Would be hard to exploit the differences on public roads anyway

[LindaTheCat]

Originally Posted by gthal

Sorry to hear you crashed the C63. I'd be careful with the M3 as well as it can also be a little tail happy for an inexperienced driver (not saying that's you) with the nannies turned off. The best investment anyone driving a C63 or M3 can make is spending a great deal of time at the track.

Also I think the 2010 model was a little less refined and tail happy than the 2012 coupe version of the C63. Having said that, the M3 is still the better pure driving car.

And if you are worried about the outdated M3, don't. The 6.2 L AMG engine has been around for centuries. And still get buzzes. I mean a lot.

[gthal]

Originally Posted by Linda_the_Cat

And if you are worried about the outdated M3, don't. The 6.2 L AMG engine has been around for centuries. And still get buzzes. I mean a lot.

Huh

Not following this discussion any longer... who is worried about the M3 being outdated? What buzzes are you referring to?

[valeram]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

I had about a 20-30 minute test drive of both yesterday back to back without a salesperson in the car for each. I also have driven 6mt m3s many times before. To be honest, the m3 at speeds between 0-60ish doesn't feel much faster than my tuned e46 was.

The c63 on the other hand felt much stronger. I also did not notice any loss in power at the top of the rpm range for the merc.

Not being critical of the m, just being honest. The merc on the streets from speeds of 0 all the way through 100 feels like a monster.

I loved driving both. Still am undecided.

Have driven and own both cars, I can say that there is something about the M that the AMG doesn't have and vice versa. Both cars are great. To me the M is a better track car than the AMG. On the other side though, the AMG is a better everyday car. Both cars have rich traditions that make them special. I don't know if I can say that with the CTS-V

[pn_e92]

Originally Posted by DiscoZ

Yup... I am optioning out C63 Coupes as I type.

In Los Angeles, the M3 comes out to be easily cheaper, especially because the C63 is limited production according to my local Mercedes dealer.

[gthal]

Originally Posted by valeram

Have driven and own both cars, I can say that there is something about the M that the AMG doesn't have and vice versa. Both cars are great. To me the M is a better track car than the AMG. On the other side though, the AMG is a better everyday car. Both cars have rich traditions that make them special. I don't know if I can say that with the CTS-V

This would be my take too. With the 2012 C63 coupe, though, it has closed the gap a little more on the track but still not quite there.

[gthal]

Originally Posted by parham2652

In Los Angeles, the M3 comes out to be easily cheaper, especially because the C63 is limited production according to my local Mercedes dealer.

In Canada, it is the opposite... BMW rapes us on the price differential but for Mercedes it is almost the same price as a US car. People import M3 from the states because it is WAY cheaper but that won't happen with the C63 because we are effectly paying US prices.

My fully optioned C63 coupe on order (fully loaded with everything) came in at $78k MSRP. My M3, also fully loaded, came in at $89k.

[pn_e92]

Originally Posted by gthal

In Canada, it is the opposite... BMW rapes us on the price differential but for Mercedes it is almost the same price as a US car. People import M3 from the states because it is WAY cheaper but that won't happen with the C63 because we are effectly paying US prices.

My fully optioned C63 coupe on order (fully loaded with everything) came in at $78k MSRP. My M3, also fully loaded, came in at $89k.

That's absurd.

[gthal]

Originally Posted by parham2652

That's absurd.

No kidding...

[frostm3]

I also had the chance to drive the C63 coupe and was extremely impressed. Unfortunately it wasn't the upgraded version, but it's hands down better than the sedan. I agree that at the end of the day the M3 is more of a driver's car, but the C63 is better for daily commuting and in a straight line. Both cars are among the best in the world, imo!

[ny911]

Originally Posted by gthal

Sorry to hear you crashed the C63. I'd be careful with the M3 as well as it can also be a little tail happy for an inexperienced driver (not saying that's you) with the nannies turned off. The best investment anyone driving a C63 or M3 can make is spending a great deal of time at the track.

Also I think the 2010 model was a little less refined and tail happy than the 2012 coupe version of the C63. Having said that, the M3 is still the better pure driving car.

So is the 2012 C63 Coupe much better than the 2010 C63 Sedan? Does it worth the premium?

I have driven an E90 M3, so wanna know how the C63s are and which to get.

[gthal]

Originally Posted by ny911

So is the 2012 C63 Coupe much better than the 2010 C63 Sedan? Does it worth the premium?

I have driven an E90 M3, so wanna know how the C63s are and which to get.

The 2012 C63, coupe and sedan, are improved over the 2010 model in many respects and worth the premium IMO. Whether it is "better" than an E90 M3 is a different matter. I wouldn't say better, just different. I think the M3 is the "better" car if its your DD and a track machine. If it is solely DD car, I think its a toss up and depends on which you like better... C63 has more torque and faster around town... M3 has a higher revving and more race car'ish engine. You can't lose either way.

[GMW]

Originally Posted by parham2652

That's absurd.

+1

[-=Hot|Ice=-]

Can't wait for mine.

[gthal]

Originally Posted by -=Hot|Ice=-

Can't wait for mine.

So you bought a C63 and not an M3 or am I misreading this?

[-=Hot|Ice=-]

Originally Posted by gthal

So you bought a C63 and not an M3 or am I misreading this?