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11-02-2017, 03:18 PM | #45 |
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You guys are acting like a 5% reduction with a 10mm increased width (with respect to a 265/35) is suddenly going to shatter your wheels.
You do realize that the 275/30/19 has an even greater load rating than the stock fronts, and only 5% less than stock rears? Lol.
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I tried running 265/35/19 on my 9.5"-width BBS E88 wheels up front, they were too balloon-like, and rubbed. I think 275/30/19 really ought to be the go-to for these setups. As previously mentioned by myself I ran that exact thing on a square set of 220M (9.5"-width) for a few years on my past E92--that thing saw 5 different suspension setups and never was a bother. The only downfall is the decreased tire diameter in the rear, however that is <0.5" if I recall correctly. Go square and enjoy some awesome handling |
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That's my point, I don't know why there's so much apprehension to 275/30/19 tires. If you hit a pothole that's going to damage your wheel to begin with, that tiny smidge of extra sidewall is not going to be limiting factor in either tire scenario. And the increased load rating will help against bubbling in the event of hitting a pothole.
And to the previous poster, what is the point of spending money on getting a square ZCP setup to begin with if you're going to stagger the tires anyways? Why didn't you just keep the original staggered setup then? It makes no sense. C'est la vie.
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Maybe he just likes the look? I run staggered tires on my 18x10's.
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12-19-2017, 06:16 PM | #52 |
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Did you need the spacer on the front to avoid rubbing on kw sleeve?
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12-20-2017, 07:48 PM | #53 |
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I went with 275/30/19 and love it. It drives so much nicer! Most of the improvement is likely due to getting rid of the spacer in the front. Any hint of steering wheel wobble is completely gone and I am convinced steering is improved.
Thanks for the nudges everyone. I also think it looks great. Now I have some basically new 275/35/19 and 255/35/19 pilot sport 4s to sell. |
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The spacers came with the wheels when I bought them.
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What does not handle very nicely mean anyways? Twitchy? Bump steer? Understeer/Oversteer? A correctly aligned squared setup is the preferred setup for track afaik. Both are great options depending on tire preference and driving style, I have not heard anything negative about ether setups
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I tried a square setup when I first got the car and it did not work for me. I prefer the front end to lose traction before the rear. The oversteer was simply annoying and just slows you down. Didn't inspire much confidence at high speeds. This chassis does not have the same characteristics as the E36/E46 where a square setup is ideal. Sure you can run a square setup and dial out the oversteer with other modifications but I'm not looking to swap swaybars etc. You'd be pretty hard pressed to find any "true" racecars running a square setup. Most people choose this route because it saves money with the ability to rotate tires. But yeah, this chassis is definitely not neutral on a square setup when it is close to stock form.
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Toe out? I thought only autocrossers do that, specifically because of the slow speeds for the faster/dartier turn in/direction changes.
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But yes i'm sure full out race cars run a different setup, i'm not convinced it's for the reason of a squared setup being known to 'not handle very nicely'. Quote:
I think saying squared setups 'do not handle very nicely' is not an accurate generalization.
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I've seen one case of a guy running around the Nordschleife on a 275 square setup and it looked really good and he was definitely pushing the car. But I don't know what else he had done. Quote:
I never said to use the stock tires sizes. I run 265/275. I will say a square setup works well on a small tight track. But at the higher speed tracks it does not. It isn't stable enough to really drive the car at it's limit. Which is where all the fun and smiles are at! I believe even Leh Keen stressed this specifically on the E9x chassis.
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From what I know, the stock offsets and tire sizes allow for an even track width front and rear, where as with a squared setup, you have more track width on the front relative to the rear. This induces oversteer because the rear has less grip than the front, which is what some guys like.
If you look at the Team Schirmer car that runs on the nordschleife it runs 265f/295r with widths of 9.5f/11r, if my memory servers me right. But the offsets also play into a factor too and I think they run mid to low 30's all around. Last edited by b4hand; 01-18-2018 at 03:25 PM.. |
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Yep. And that car is very neutral from any in-car I've watched.
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Hmm, agree to disagree, my car was aligned with my track setup, I back off about .5-1 degree for street. I like the way my car lets loose, very predictable for me. Probably won't be switching up my setup anytime soon.
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But you can't really voice such a strong opinion when you haven't even tried the other side of the debate.
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I have a stock wheel/tire setup plus my other street wheels are also staggered. While great for the street and more than enough to get you into trouble, it leans too much into understeer at the limit than I would like for the track.
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We may have different driving styles, I tend to counter understeer with more throttle, if the car has the power for it. Wasn't possible in the gutless e36 :P
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