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[mesier1111]

Originally Posted by ruff

Greg,
Just a guess, your not a Republican?
Nice write up in C&D by the way.

Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon

No, you guess right, I'm not. My C&D letter was really lame now that I reread it. I think I had a couple glasses of wine and was being really picky. I'm surprised they published it. I'm sending a better one on this month's article.

Which write-up did you do?...would love to read it. How did Ruff know you had one? you guys know each other

[paulyd]

Originally Posted by Garrett

+100

What, you say? No I'm not talking about the 3 series. But the new tii. That is your real contender for the Porsches.

Which is:


The M3 looks like a elder statesmen, while the 135tii looks like a rebellious prince!

-Garrett

Thx Garrett, I hadn't heard of the tii. It looks pretty sweet and sounds like it'll be super fun to drive!

So its basically a souped up 135i?? If the 135i is gonna be fun, then this is even better!

Anyone considering this car?

[GregW / Oregon]

Originally Posted by chitown08

Thx Garrett, I hadn't heard of the tii. It looks pretty sweet and sounds like it'll be super fun to drive!

So its basically a souped up 135i?? If the 135i is gonna be fun, then this is even better!

Anyone considering this car?

It's only a concept, shown at the Tokyo Auto Show. No production plans revealed. Nothing about the engine was revealed, either. If in keeping with the original, it would be a NA 4-banger, though the weight of this one is probably 50% more than the 2002. A sport suspension and LSD along with the turbo engine would make me interested.

[paulyd]

Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon

It's only a concept, shown at the Tokyo Auto Show. No production plans revealed. Nothing about the engine was revealed, either. If in keeping with the original, it would be a NA 4-banger, though the weight of this one is probably 50% more than the 2002. A sport suspension and LSD along with the turbo engine would make me interested.

Isn't that what it will have? And it sounds like it is probable that it will come to the US of A... Obviously nothing confirmed.. but surely it would be the 335i/135i engine and I thought someone mentioned LSD option on the 1 series?
http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-concept-1-tii.html
Some "info" and high quality pics if anyone cares.

[jtown]

Can't judge until you drive it.

[swamp2]

Originally Posted by Filthy Monkey

Just for the record, I drive pretty much everywhere like I have a couple of porn star twins waiting for me at the other end, so expect most people to get much better mileage than me...

FM - you are too much.

Sometimes we say "I drive it like I stole it".

[swamp2]

Originally Posted by Garrett

...
What, you say? No I'm not talking about the 3 series. But the new tii. That is your real contender for the Porsches.

BMW is bring back the clubsport mentality with smaller faster cars. The new M3 is a luxury cruiser, long... elegant! It's too big to be anything more than what it is.

All the technology is in the wrong place for it to be the sportcar many of us want.

What your looking at is BMW's answer to Porsche's Cayman S!! Lighter, smaller and turbocharged...! Look, The M3 looks exactly like BMW invisioned it, even though it looks docile sitting next to the Tii


The M3 looks like a elder statesmen, while the 135tii looks like a rebellious prince!

Not quite...

I realize there is some argument about the official weight of the 135 as well as the US version of it. However, it is absolutely not a lightweight car. Your characterization of it as "faster" is interesting as well. I suspect it would be faster on no tracks except autoX compared to the M3. Not sure how much of a P competitor it will be as well (135 or tii or whatever they want to call it)...

Calling the M3, which by all accounts is a fantastic "jack of all trades" including comfort, track, straight line acceleration, a "luxury cruiser" is a bit of an understatement isn't it?

[Sedan_Clan]

I have no concerns about steering, gas mileage, and the like. Hell, I came from an E46 ///M3 which I sustained a 22 MPG average because I wasn't always mashing the throttle. As long as the E90/E92 ///M3 can net me at least that (..when being babied), I'm happy. Sure, I will miss my 330i's 26-29 average MPG, but my 330i is no ///M3 either. I'm going to have to side w/ the majority of the responses here.

Old news........tired debate.......! Bring on the new ///M!!!!!!!!!

[GregW / Oregon]

Originally Posted by mesier1111

Which write-up did you do?...would love to read it. How did Ruff know you had one? you guys know each other

Just a letter to the editor in the latest C&D correcting some points in a previous articlle. My name was on it--that's how he knew.

[paulyd]

Originally Posted by jtown

Can't judge until you drive it.

thanks

I don't know if you noticed that I said "OBVIOUSLY NOTHING CONFIRMED"

And even if I didn't ITS UNDERSTOOD! Last time I checked we've been discussing the M3 for months and 99% have not yet driven it!

These forums are ruined by these pointless insults. so annoying

[ruff]

Exciting stuff, I feel like I have finally found the church of BMW here on this very forum, except for you Garrett, you Turncoat you. It is great to see my fellow BMW enthusiasts so passionate about their own kids…the e92 M3. I would hate to see what your response will be to your kid’s teachers and coaches when they say your kid is not performing up to their high expectations.

Let me answer some of the more intelligent questions this way: I was driving my favorite car, a 77 Gremlin home from the trading post where I was able to procure the December issue of Teen magazine. It was there where I read about Friedrich Nietzsche and how I could graduate from magazine racer to a higher level called e90 forum racer. I picked up the latest issue of C&D and found out that they called forum racers “Nerd City Internet Chat Room" surfers. Now feeling hopeless about C&D’s comment about a reference to the Church of BMW not to mention their absurd and beating a dead horse comments about the M3’s steering feel being a bit light and numb with no more steering feel to be had even in sport mode; I decided I was going to quit whining about these rare and absolutely false reports about lack of steering feel and I was going to buy this perfect car the M3 even if it has a 65k + base no matter what. That is obviously a much more effective/proactive and less depressing approach than my hard earned money and voice demanding BMW fix something that reportedly already has more steering feel than a Kia.

Anyone heard this phrase? There are two sides to every coin. With most enthusiasts, no matter the subject matter, the coin is always supposed to turn up heads. If it doesn’t then there is always an excuse/rationalization such as wind or humidity must have caused it to land on tales so it really wasn’t tales after all. Example: If I am critical of the M3 in any shape or manner: I am beating a dead horse; give it rest; magazine racer; you seem hopeless; those who wrote that article are idiots, biased and don’t know what they were talking about; must have been poor track conditions; a poor driver not a reputable report; you are a hater; troll; don’t buy the car then; the 335 is for you; Audi and Porsche fan boy; and let me show you numbers from my hand pick articles that will prove you wrong but I no magazine racer myself etc, etc. However, when the trouble causer ruff talks about how great the 4 litre is or other great things about the car then I am magically transformed from hater and magazine racer to knowledgeable track guru; and not a single reference about beating a dead horse, infact I am encouraged to keep praising the M3…simply amazing how that works. Hint… the Nietzsche reference.

It is ironic how many times I have been told I need to drive the car before I can decide on steering feel or other issues by those who have already decided (but surely won’t admit it) that the engine is great, the brakes are great, and steering is Porsche quality before they themselves have ever driven the car. This may be news to some, but simple psychology will tell you that if you really like the car and intend on buying it before you drive it, the car will drive better than you ever thought, although you really didn’t do much thinking or analysis now did you. This is called subjective view point versus objectivity view point. Quite frankly, its all pretty simple now isn't it?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by ruff

It is ironic how many times I have been told I need to drive the car before I can decide on steering feel


...This is called subjective view point versus objectivity view point. Quite frankly, its all pretty simple now isn't it?

Ruff, you have some journalists who believe that the car lacks feel. Conversely, you have other journalists who praise the steering. To add more confusion (..for a lack of a better word), you have actual owners who praise the steering. Everybody's perspective is subjective, so reviews will differ. Herein lies the truth, you have to drive the car to determine where you actually stand on the issue. Until then, everything else is conjecture (...save for the people who actually own or have driven the vehicle).

You must admit man, these steering feel threads are a bit of a draw.......wouldn't you think? It's been discussed 100 times over, and your thread didn't add anything new to observe. All you did was rehash a topic based on reviews that we've all read. How else did you think the masses would respond?

[GregW / Oregon]

Originally Posted by ruff

I was driving my favorite car, a 77 Gremlin home from the trading post ...

Yeah! Can you tell me what the differences were between the '77 & '78? I may be in the market. This one is the same color as my first BMW 2002. I'm a little worried the steering feel isn't top notch, though.

[swamp2]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Ruff, you have some journalists who believe that the car lacks feel. Conversely, you have other journalists who praise the steering. To add more confusion (..for a better lack of a word), you have actual owners who praise the steering. Everybody's perspective is subjective, so reviews will differ. Herein lies the truth, you have to drive the car to determine where you actually stand on the issue. Until then, everything else is conjecture (...save for the people who actually own or have driven the vehicle).

You must admit man, these steering feel threads are a bit of a draw.......wouldn't you think? It's been discussed 100 times over, and your thread didn't add anything new observe. All you did was rehash a topic based on reviews that we've all read. How else did you think the masses would respond?

+1 a perfect reply, nicely summarized. Couldn't have said it better.

I'll give it too you though ruff, you are clever and funny.

[ruff]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Ruff, you have some journalists who believe that the car lacks feel. Conversely, you have other journalists who praise the steering. To add more confusion (..for a better lack of a word), you have actual owners who praise the steering. Everybody's perspective is subjective, so reviews will differ. Herein lies the truth, you have to drive the car to determine where you actually stand on the issue. Until then, everything else is conjecture (...save for the people who actually own or have driven the vehicle).

You must admit man, these steering feel threads are a bit of a draw.......wouldn't you think? It's been discussed 100 times over, and your thread didn't add anything new observe. All you did was rehash a topic based on reviews that we've all read. How else did you think the masses would respond?

So Friedrich Nietzsche wasn't adding anything new? Freud said Friedrich knew himself better than any man who ever lived or something to that effect. Have you ever read Nietzsche? Are you claiming you have offered more to this forum than Friedrich?

[ruff]

Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon

Yeah! Can you tell me what the differences were between the '77 & '78? I may be in the market. This one is the same color as my first BMW 2002. I'm a little worried the steering feel isn't top notch, though.

Thats my baby. The difference is the 78 is one year newer. The steering feel is fantastic. You can feel every boulder you come in contact with. One concern though, the thing hardly turns. The turning radius of this baby makes a semi feel nimble by comparison.

[ruff]

Originally Posted by swamp2

+1 a perfect reply, nicely summarized. Couldn't have said it better.

Exactly, perfect church talk for the unorthodox believer.

[swamp2]

Originally Posted by ruff

Exactly, perfect church talk for the unorthodox believer.

However you want to see things ruff. The reply I liked so much was honest, correct, succinct, logical and right on target. It did not need MHO to validate it.

P.S. Get ready for my next massive armchair driver, magazine reading, forum nerding out, M3 loving post. It does have some very fine quotes about the engine. I'm sure you can give me multiple "+1" 's on that since you love the engine.

[ruff]

Originally Posted by swamp2

However you want to see things ruff. The reply I liked so much was honest, correct, succinct, logical and right on target. It did not need MHO to validate it.

Not to be overly critical, but you do know the term "whatever" is one of the rudest words in the Engish language, it is so arrogant/passive aggressive, and there is no good response to it.

Originally Posted by swamp2

P.S. Get ready for my next massive armchair driver, magazine reading, forum nerding out, M3 loving post. It does have some very fine quotes about the engine. I'm sure you can give me multiple "+1" 's on that since you love the engine.

Looking forward to it. We all really need to get a life.

[swamp2]

Originally Posted by ruff

Not to be overly critical, but you do know the term "whatever" is one of the rudest words in the Engish language, it is so arrogant/passive aggressive, and there is no good response to it.

No that wouldn't be like you.

Kind of how I felt about the church talk reply as well.

BTW I kind of like "whatever" very Valley Girl especially when said with the correct accent, "what-EVER".

[Stahlgrau]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Ruff, you have some journalists who believe that the car lacks feel. Conversely, you have other journalists who praise the steering. To add more confusion (..for a better lack of a word), you have actual owners who praise the steering. Everybody's perspective is subjective, so reviews will differ. Herein lies the truth, you have to drive the car to determine where you actually stand on the issue. Until then, everything else is conjecture (...save for the people who actually own or have driven the vehicle).

You must admit man, these steering feel threads are a bit of a draw.......wouldn't you think? It's been discussed 100 times over, and your thread didn't add anything new observe. All you did was rehash a topic based on reviews that we've all read. How else did you think the masses would respond?

[ILC32]

Originally Posted by ruff

It is ironic how many times I have been told I need to drive the car before I can decide on steering feel or other issues by those who have already decided (but surely won’t admit it) that the engine is great, the brakes are great, and steering is Porsche quality before they themselves have ever driven the car. This may be news to some, but simple psychology will tell you that if you really like the car and intend on buying it before you drive it, the car will drive better than you ever thought, although you really didn’t do much thinking or analysis now did you. This is called subjective view point versus objectivity view point. Quite frankly, its all pretty simple now isn't it?

Let me get this straight -- you reach firm conclusions about something as subjective as "feel" with no personal experience whatsoever. You conclude the steering is a "travesty" based on the "preponderance of the evidence of the reports" as if this is a television courtroom drama. But your conclusion based on this "evidence" is somehow more reliable than the reports of those who own or have at least driven the car, all because of simple psychology. Its all so clear now.

What a joke. Is there an ignore button in this forum?