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03-07-2007, 04:32 PM | #23 |
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Hope you are enjoying the show and the world debut of the BMW M3 Concept. as I said from the beginning this car is a "Concept" and shares ideas and developments with it's future lightweight brother - although some elements are intentionally left out from this car . Which will feature in production model and future CSL model.
Also this car is a drivable Concept car and the media will get to drive the car at BMW's bequest in the upcoming months probably after the AMI in Leipzig in April. So the anticipation does not end with Geneva. With marketing photography and filming getting underway later this month in time for a July press release The new BMW M3 will receive Its International debut at Frankfurt this September. With the shift of it's segment the new M3 leaves the virtually a door open for a smaller coupe, ONE which can be a modern day incarnation of the ONE and only E30 M3 - a back to basics small performance coupe with superior dynamics due to it's size and weight : ONE worthy to carry the M-badge. |
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Could this be the distinction between the launch of the CONCEPT vs. the launch of the PRODUCTION vehicle. It seems this distinction was fairly clear for some time with CONCEPT @ Geneva and PRODUCTION @ Frankfurt.
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The international debut will be Frankfurt in September because not only did outgoing M-Division chief announce the car will debut at Frankfurt but BMW R&D chief announced yesterday that the production car will be presented in the summer ahead of it's world debut at Frankfurt this September. Last edited by SCOTT26; 03-07-2007 at 05:47 PM.. |
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03-07-2007, 05:43 PM | #27 |
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If the CF roof isn't standard, then similar weight to the old model and a piddling 414bhp/296 lb ft of torque just isn't sufficient. The next RS4 will leave it behind completely at this rate.
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03-07-2007, 08:42 PM | #29 |
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I think it will at least be optional. I figure a lot of people will still want a sunroof, which I doubt they can impement in a CF roof. Perhaps the metal roof with sunroof will be standard and the CF roof a $1000 option?
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03-08-2007, 12:15 AM | #31 |
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No, he is saying that the car will be advertised etc... a couple months before its launch in frankfurt. Doesn't mean it will be sold before frankfurt
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this is an interesting thread.
and while i think that most of scott26's information is correct, i can't imagine him being the final word on these matters. what he's doing is being as informative as he can to a community that is starving for information. nonetheless, i think you can't ignore the hard facts and bmw's history regarding M releases. as i've mentioned before, bmw has been quite vocal about its intent to increasingly incorporate carbon fiber and other weight saving technologies into their vehicles and have done so with increasing regularity.the m3 is the perfect forum for that same intent. but more importantly, their concept vehicles have been extraordinarily true to the production vehicle's form. the m5 concept underwent only minute changes in becoming a production car. facts and history like that, i just can't ignore.
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03-08-2007, 06:56 PM | #34 |
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How will the One series be a true replacement for the E30 M3? Will they strip it of all the superfluous crap to make it a proper lightweight?
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03-08-2007, 10:25 PM | #35 |
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Sounds obvious to me
A much smaller body style (which will give the greatest weight reduction), not many heavy/luxurious options, perhaps no leather, perhaps no ZSG/SMG, a fairly stiff suspension, i.e. just getting back to the spirit of the E30 M3. Dynamics from lightness!
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Hey BMW! Make a track version! Strip one out and put in racing seats and a cage! Sell the GT3 RS Porsche didn't have the stones to sell in the US! |
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But as far as the options, the 1er is as real BMW as any other. You can get everything on it that you can on the 3er. Actually, the part commonality is over 40% as it is. Full navigation systems with all options, 3 different leather interiors, M-sport package, etc. The option list for 1er and 3er looks very similiar (and the options are also priced quite the same.) Here's an impression of what the 1er Coupé will probably look like: Also, there are lots of pictures of it available on the web camouflaged. It was on winter trials this winter, the same time we did the X5 tests in Northern Sweden. It's likely that it'll be offered with the ZSG dual clutch transmission to start with. Best regards, Jussi |
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Thats going to be one (no pun intended) hell of a lil car to whip around mmmmmmm I won't be getting one but I want to test drive it :rocks:
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As far as the M suspension and the regular one, I've driven both a lot and I'd have to disagree with the rag - the M suspension wins hands down. Maybe not if you have thousands of potholes on the roads, but on good surfaces, it stands out. Also, the short shifter and the other options of the M-package make all the difference between a nearly non-BMW and a real BMW. (The default manual shifter has a horrible feel to it.) My subjective opinions of course. Best regards, Jussi |
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03-11-2007, 07:54 PM | #42 |
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Wider tyres just make the car more grippy and you have to work it harder to enjoy the chassis. Where's the fun in that? Chris Harris' recent Autocar column on the base Cayman being a more fun steer than the S with the bigger wheels is a case in point.
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yeah so uhm..... like i said.
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Good thread to bring back up. Shows all these people were wholly inaccurate. Just making stuff up.
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