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05-12-2009, 05:23 PM | #23 | |
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I wanted to post here, mainly because the bimmerpost has the liveliest discussion threads IMHO, and because the M3 is the best all around car between the 50-70k price range. Also because IMO, BMW is still the barometer for which to measure quality and success of an everyday vehicle to include the likes of a merc, lexus, Audi. It's rare that our country gets it right when it comes to cars (sad considering we invented the automobile) so every once in a blue moon when we get something right, you got to throw a dog a bone! I'm just a car enthusiast as I believe most of us on this board are and I'm just mearly trying to show my respect for the new camaro and actually give an well done applaud to a rather pathetic GM company. moving on, what I really like about BMW's is how classy they are, believe most everyone would agree on this notion What I like about the Camaro is that for the first time you can dress up a car to suite your taste. You can make her stipper hot based on the color combination or dress her up in an evening cocktail dress. Not many cars out there at any price point capable of pulling that off. |
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05-12-2009, 06:22 PM | #24 | |
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Now on to the main point. The USA was a LONG way from inventing the automobile. It was invented in various forms by a French man, German, Swiss (hydrogen & oxygen 1800s), another frenchman, the the Benz man himself. The US did create the mass production process that meant we could all have a go. |
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05-12-2009, 07:04 PM | #25 |
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I've always owned German or European sports cars but I gave in an bought a 2008 Vette in early 08. Same LS3 engine as the new Camaro. In short, it got the job done but you always felt like you were torturing it at high revs and it just didn't have that "engineering" feeling that a BMW or Porsche has. On the bright side, it was very fast, handled great, and rode very well. I haven't driven the new Camaro but I have a very hard time believing they could rival an M3 with the LS3 engine and rival the 3 stage suspension adjustability of the M3. I think the two cars are really too different to consider rivals.
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05-13-2009, 12:19 PM | #26 | |
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I've owned lots of GM vehicles and have had some many problems with them, things are cheaply built and fall apart in no time. I couldn't even list all the problems with some of my GM work trucks on a whole page of this forum. But I do admit $ for $ the camaro can be modded and easily crush anything else on the street in it's price range. Unfortunately that is not a deal sealer for me so I have no interest in buying one.
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05-13-2009, 12:54 PM | #27 |
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Last weekend I visited Nissan with my friend to try out the 370Z (He wants the new Nizmo but not available yet) anyway, fresh from the 370Z expereince, driving the M3 stopped at a Chevy dealer just to see the Corvette and the new Camaro SS. It was not on my friend "shopping list" so we did not plan to drive it. Eventually we ended up driving it anyway. Well, I don't want to type too much, but the Camaro SS just not there compared to the 370Z or the M3. You have to drive them back to back, and put them through some corners and you will see. It's not bad but more like a 335i than a M3. Corvette has nothingt to fear from the inhouse competition.
If you planning to take your car to the track, don't think about the Camaro SS for similar $ the 370z with sport pack. is way better car. just my IMHO. |
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05-13-2009, 06:51 PM | #28 | |
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However, I do love BMWs, and I'm enjoying a problem-free experience with the new E93 M3 in the 2 months I've owned it.
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I stopped and looked at a camaro ss today. I am lost as to how some folks in this thread can actually compare it to the M3, in any aspect. It's a typical GM product, lackluster at best. I have owned 3 f-bodies so I'm not biased at all, but I know what to expect quality-wise from "the general." Don't think for a second that the first couple of hundred cars won't be QC'd to death, after that, the lazy $30/hr to push a button UAW workers will have their way and the REAL production cars will start coming off the line.
I won't even go into the wonderful service at GM dealers. |
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05-30-2009, 11:19 PM | #30 |
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Where is this $44-45k coming from for the 2010 Camaro SS??
MSRP is $33,400 to start with the top line 2SS package, and there's few options to add to that anyway. At most it would be $35k and that is you paid MSRP. I'm sure even though it's brand new the Chevy dealers are desperate enough to negotiate a grand or two off the MSRP even for the hot new Camaro right now. There's an arguement to be made for someone who would rather pay $35k for the Camaro SS with 2SS package than then spend $62k on a M3. But doubtful anybody who has their mind set on the M3 will suddenly change their mind and get a Camaro. But having a nice large, great V8 under the hood of a good looking retro American car is not a bad thing either. I just dislike the gauges in the new Camaro. Like the Mustang, they tach and speedo are TOO FAR apart, and are hard to see as the steering wheel cuts them off. I can only imagine what the new Camaro would do with only $5-6k in mods to it. |
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While I have been waiting for my e90 M3 to get here I have been driving a Corvette as a daily driver and while its fun when you feel like playing a little slap and tickle. When it comes down to it though I can't wait for my car to get here so I won't break my back on a speed bump or a rock in the road.
But back to the topic on hand about the Camaro. I have driven one and got the same vibe as my Corvette... Fun for a little slap and tickle but I would not have one as my daily driver like my 4 door M3 will be. P.S The C6 z06 Corvette is a beast to drive but not everyday.
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06-08-2009, 01:01 PM | #32 | |
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As for handling. You say that the car is based on the G8 (Holden) which is true. However, you then say that it handles as well as the M3 yet not a single test of that car puts it even in the same ball park as the M3 for handling. I'm sure it's fun to drive and great for tail out etc but it's not going to touch an M3 on the handling front. I do agree it's fantastic value though and am interested to see if they do a Z29 version that they spoke about with 500+bhp. That would be worth a long look. Nice car, good value but I fear no M3 (or RS5 etc). |
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06-08-2009, 02:11 PM | #33 |
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Thanks Driver,,, shiet for $44k you can have a brand new Vette and save about 500lbs.
You can get an 2008 Vette for low $30k's NEW. Vette way over the new CamEro. |
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The car was knocking around a long time in various forms before you lot got your hands on it. Read up on it. You certainly invented the mass production bit. |
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06-08-2009, 02:40 PM | #35 |
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Surprisingly, I kinda' like the way the new Camaro SS looks.....But I would never want to own one. That's why I just ordered my '09 M3 Sedan, because there is no other car like it in any way you compare.
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The new Camaro looks great in person, not sure I would get it vs a M3 though |
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07-27-2009, 05:28 PM | #38 | |
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On a road course the Camaro is a big fail without a lot tire and suspension work. The M3 is pretty much plug and play. I can't get passed the Lightning McQueen looks (a comment that seems to haunt this car). |
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The allure of a good muscle car is too much. A 6.2L V8 with 426hp and 400tq with a decent 19mpg? Not to mention the super cheap aftermarket of the LS3 and a msrp of $35k? I think I am sold.
GM is really trying to undercut the competition with the ZR1 and this. |
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okay I own a E92 M3 DCT and I just test drove a Camaro 2SS with RS package 6 speed the other day....... On paper they look fairly close.... power to weight is similar at a slight advantage to the M3 (9.0 vs 8.7 for a DCT coupe with CF roof)....but the torque advantage to the Camaro is HUGE (9.2 vs 12.2).....
I was skeptical of how it would drive...I figured it would have a serious motor, but was concerned about build quality-ride-handling etc for such a heavy car....it is 250lbs heavier than my M3 (3600lbs)..... I was pleasantly surprised at the build quality....sure its not a BMW, but it was quite good for a "chevy".....everything felt nice and the steering had a decent weight to it, but not the feel of the M3..... The car is BIG...very wide and you sit pretty deep in the car so its kinda hard to see out of....its also quite tall at 54" vs the M3 at 55" which I think is far too tall for a performance car, but does make it more livable for daily driving.... The ride was good....not as smooth as the M3 but surprisingly good on some bad roads....far better than say a Corvette.... Handling was okay, but you can feel the weight, especially over the front wheels...and it doesn't change direction very quick...which I think the M3 is very good at for such a heavy car.... Power: This was by far the largest disappointment.....on paper it looked like it would feel faster than the M3...& I drove a 6 speed...no way not even close....granted I had a salesman in the car that wasn't in my M3 just after...but the M3 would KILL the Camaro in a straight line..felt far faster than the .5 or so 1/4 difference it actually is....I thought 426hp would feel far stronger than this....I'm very disappointed Clearly the motor in the Camaro wasn't broke in and will gain HP as it loosens up....but still.... However for 1/2 the price of an M3.....I would say it is a performance bargin....sure the M3 is "better"...but its price reflects it too..... Just my opinion....
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I agree alot with what the OP said except the Interior of the SS and the visibility from inside the drivers seat is horribly dangerous.... The Interior of the SS is horrible and is not comparable to any line of BMW IMO... everything else you said is pretty accurate and the cars are very very comparable IMO.
The outside of the SS looks amazing too me... I dig it
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Dude, I am a car lover and can surely appreciate all cool cars. However, I drove a Camaro SS the other day in Alexandria and while it sure has power...there is no comparison to any BMW..especially anything with an ///M on it. It's not very refined and I would love to see it a track. I performed a few on/off ramp drives on 395 (near alexandria/arlington) and if I would of pushed it a bit more I would of wrecked. My 2005 G35 Coupe handles much better although it doesn't have the straight-line performance of the SS. Is it a nice car...sure Would I buy one....no Can it give the ///M a challenge in a straight line....yes Around the bends?....not in a million years Exterior/Interior/Features?....never...not even in a million years. Quality/Durability? No Apples to Oranges comparison....maybe an organically grown juicy red apple to some steroid grown green apple that hasn't really riped and that is sold at Walmart..LOL. =SZ |
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Ugly then and ugly now
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take it on the twisties and the M3 smokes it. too much body roll
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