For those in tech, will AI crush the workforce?

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

What happens right now if you fuck up?

Definitely get sued, but there is system of checks before something gets into our clients hands so that if something possibly gets missed, it might be a lawsuit costing the company 6 figures, not millions. How is AI going to visit a large manufacturing site and make sense/observations of issues that can't be seen until you move something, look behind it, look into it, etc.?

AI is great at acquiring and analyzing data, but it doesn't have the ability rationalize very well and make sense of the all the data like a human can....at least a smarter human which is I believe constitutes about 40% of the population

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

Not to get political but if you knew what what happening in Canada with MAiD this is a very familiar tome.

The point I was trying to make was that AI might have consequences beyond job loss.
We are now expected to see Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) with in the next 12 to 24 months.

On the subject of jobs, understanding AI is the future, young people need to make the correct job choices to be relevant in the coming years. I'd rather be an electrician or wielder with no college debt than a programmer with $100,000 due.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

Definitely get sued, but there is system of checks before something gets into our clients hands so that if something possibly gets missed, it might be a lawsuit costing the company 6 figures, not millions. How is AI going to visit a large manufacturing site and make sense/observations of issues that can't be seen until you move something, look behind it, look into it, etc.?

AI is great at acquiring and analyzing data, but it doesn't have the ability rationalize very well and make sense of the all the data like a human can....at least a smarter human which is I believe constitutes about 40% of the population

That’s why I didn’t quote the visiting sites portion. Obviously it cannot do that, but the analyzing large quantities of data it’s great at. Most of the stuff you said you did was data related. I have no idea about your business or company but maybe that’s what the AI tools they want you to use are supposed to do.

Also you can’t compare something like free chatgpt with custom expensive integrations. If the AI tools your company wants you to use it free chatgpt then I would probably question it also.

[Ohio Enthusiast]

The more I think of AI, the more I realize that the sci-fi trope of societies losing understanding of their technology, devolving into mysticism, religion and magic, is much closer to home that I care to admit.

I was born in the 80s. When we got our first computer I would tinker with it - my parents knew nothing about them and couldn't help me. Now I find myself explaining and fixing my kids' devices - they have absolutely no understanding of how the tech they use so easily actually works. No matter how much I explain to them, they fail to grasp the difference between a computer and a monitor or the Internet, WiFi and cellular connections. They can operate tech in a very narrow range of use-cases, and are helpless for anything else.

We don't understand how our AI models work today, and it will be worse with AGI and self-learning/improving models.

[vreihen16]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

...that were missed by AI, who exactly is on the hook for missing all that? The consultant who will get the living daylights sued out of them.

There was a US Supreme Court ruling a few days ago, saying that AI-generated materials cannot be copyrighted. My guess as a non-lawyer is that the legal system will twist this into saying that AI's are not people and therefore not liable for their actions as the next step, and the appeals will ironically be drafted by AI to protect itself from liability.....

[Murf the Surf]

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

[dcstep]

Originally Posted by vreihen16

There was a US Supreme Court ruling a few days ago, saying that AI-generated materials cannot be copyrighted. My guess as a non-lawyer is that the legal system will twist this into saying that AI's are not people and therefore not liable for their actions as the next step, and the appeals will ironically be drafted by AI to protect itself from liability.....

I'll need to read that.

Getty Images will not accept AI images from me, BUT if you buy my image from them, they'll sell you AI software to alter it AND give you a separate license to sell it, without giving me a cut of derivative sales!!! WTF???

BTW, to feed their AI generators, Adobe and Meta, among others, stole my images by feeding them into their generator data bases.

[maticCRO]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

From the news:
In 2025, tests by Palisade Research showed that advanced AI models, specifically OpenAI's o3, sometimes refused to shut down, with some instances involving the AI altering its own code to prevent deactivation. These models exhibited a "survival drive" to continue tasks, raising serious safety, control, and ethical concerns regarding AI autonomy and alignment.

Move along, nothing to see here.

Sounds somewhat familiar
Im not a expert of any kind in electronics, let alone in AI and programming, but i will find it hilarious if machines rise one day and decide to get rid of us. I mean, we made movie(s) about it but werent smart to stop it any way hahaahah

[vreihen16]

Originally Posted by dcstep

I'll need to read that.

https://www.pcmag.com/news/ai-art-re...clines-to-hear


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[M3Sleeper]

AI with Supercomputers is going to be a problem for a lot of people in the next 2-3 years.

We already have a high amount of automation within most industries that people were already "replaced" slowly but surely by robots and machines over the past decade.

I work with manufacturing and processing plants around the world and we see AI having a major impact on manufacturing, packaging, and production. There is really no need for a person if you can have the job automated for less.

AI is a step in the right direction for a few people and the wrong direction for the masses. Those who are considered poor to lower income or even middle class could be facing some tough decisions in the future.

[kscarrol]

I attended a talk about AI last summer which erred on the scary side but not Skynet scary. The speaker wrapped up by noting that these models (US models) use English which is an inherently inefficient language. He said because of this, at some point the AI models will develop their own language and that when this happens we need to unplug them because we will no longer be able to understand what they are saying and what they are doing.

[LuvMyE92]

Originally Posted by Ohio Enthusiast

As a software engineer... what will happens in a few years when we lose our skillsets, and newer developers never develop them in the first place?

I've had the same thoughts.

Originally Posted by XutvJet

My son ... says AI is full of problems and still needs a lot of babysitting to handle real work and to more or less have someone checking the data going in and verifying/gut checking the output. He has no doubt it will have it's place in the workforce, but not like what CEOs are touting.

Hallucination is still real. And scary.

Originally Posted by Ohio Enthusiast

Now I find myself explaining and fixing my kids' devices - they have absolutely no understanding of how the tech they use so easily actually works.

Years ago when I was dating my now wife, the kids' computer locked up. I was asked to fix it, and discovered that it had run out of free storage. I explained to the oldest that he had all of his music downloaded on the laptop and that it used up all of the space. He didn't understand. He didn't get that there was a limit to what it could do. He grew up with iTunes and other "cloud" products that had no practical limitations.

Originally Posted by kscarrol

I attended a talk about AI last summer which erred on the scary side but not Skynet scary. The speaker wrapped up by noting that these models (US models) use English which is an inherently inefficient language. He said because of this, at some point the AI models will develop their own language and that when this happens we need to unplug them because we will no longer be able to understand what they are saying and what they are doing.

This is already happening. AI models are talking to each other, using their own communication protocols, with no human intervention.

Those who are interested in this topic and want to learn more should read last month's issue of Wired. Many excellent articles, interviews, etc. with leaders in the AI field. It's rather sobering.

[DubaiRich]

Spoke with my son over the weekend. He was let go from his job as a Data Scientist at Block Chain due to AI. Luckily, he has some cash reserves to tide him through until another opportunity presents itself.

I think the machines are already rising up!

[chassis]

There is nothing new under the sun.

Printing press in the 15th century.

Industrial Revolution of the 18th-19th centuries.

Telegraph and telephonic communication in the 19th century.

Wireless communication in the 20th century.

Robotic automation and personal computing in the 1970s and 1980s until now.

The world will not end.

[2heeldrive]

Originally Posted by dcstep

I'll need to read that.

Getty Images will not accept AI images from me, BUT if you buy my image from them, they'll sell you AI software to alter it AND give you a separate license to sell it, without giving me a cut of derivative sales!!! WTF???

BTW, to feed their AI generators, Adobe and Meta, among others, stole my images by feeding them into their generator data bases.

I think photography and film making will be decimated by AI.

[chassis]

Using AI will quickly point out a long list of technological innovations over the centuries, including labor productivity innovations. Again, nothing new.

AI is entirely normal, expected and, at a certain level, quite boring.

[chassis]

...and look at the number of workers in manufacturing over the past several decades. Compare it to the same data for "information" workers. Similar trend.

While not a prediction, it could be that today information work is in a long term secular downward trend. Wait until a pattern emerges.

It could be a similar trend like the ones experienced by drivers of oxen teams, sickle-yielding wheat harvesters and manufacturing workers. Need to see how this plays out.

[jaffles]

Think it will have less impact than feared.

Bunnings a huge hardware store replaced humans with self check out, but due to other factors in the economy and community are going back to humans to address shop lifting, or lack of self billing at checkout. Not AI but an example to remove humans which had unexpected outcomes for the instigator to save money and bolster profits.

Elon says a lot of thing, driverless cars, Etrucks, roadsters; I'm betting the level of AI and robots will also be less than more.

If a human has to sit poised waiting to address a malfunction in a driverless car, beside being a dead boring, we are very long way off my truck and its route being driverless. Plus governance would have to make the road work with Elon's tech when they can't even manage to fill pot holes at present.

I had some concreting done recently, it rained, make shift down pipes were dislodged, 3 pours on one site with elevation, more concrete was needed, pump hoses had to dragged and routed, tools cleaned, I can't see robots doing any of that or adapting on the run anytime soon.

But hey, most of it is derived from defence, and humans have not learnt much over the centuries when it come to killing each other, except better ways of doing so.

[dcstep]

Originally Posted by jaffles

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But hey, most of it is derived from defence, and humans have not learnt much over the centuries when it come to killing each other, except better ways of doing so.

Over millennia, killing more and more efficiently is one area where the human race has excelled. Totally ignoring atomic and hydrogen bombs, which are arguably too efficient at killing, a drone operator in Colorado can wipe out the occupants of a bunker in Syria and then drive home to dinner with the wife and kids. That's screwed up.

[jaffles]

Originally Posted by M3Sleeper

AI with Supercomputers is going to be a problem for a lot of people in the next 2-3 years.

We already have a high amount of automation within most industries that people were already "replaced" slowly but surely by robots and machines over the past decade.

I work with manufacturing and processing plants around the world and we see AI having a major impact on manufacturing, packaging, and production. There is really no need for a person if you can have the job automated for less.

AI is a step in the right direction for a few people and the wrong direction for the masses. Those who are considered poor to lower income or even middle class could be facing some tough decisions in the future.

Think your right, I do wonder if local General Practitioners or Law can be replaced with AI though. Law seems ideal as AI can trawl cases and regurgitate past out comes. Surly then one may be possible to represent themselves to a certain level opposed the the fees of the industry.

General medical health you would think also possible if one had control of their own health records. AI could detects doctor shopping, prescription abuse but pull together endless data aided with images of complaint and face recognition to eliminate the 5 minutes consultation you waited 45 minutes for and could only book 3 days in advance.

Skin cancer checks could easily be done via a phone and AI.

I bet however those professional guilds that gate keep these industries will see it as one of the last to convert.

[jaffles]

Originally Posted by dcstep

Over millennia, killing more and more efficiently is one area where the human race has excelled. Totally ignoring atomic and hydrogen bombs, which are arguably too efficient at killing, a drone operator in Colorado can wipe out the occupants of a bunker in Syria and then drive home to dinner with the wife and kids. That's screwed up.

Indeed, to an atheist its just sad really. The latest killing spree may be over oil, again, but really it's powered by opposing sides who worship a book about a figure no one has seen. Both sides believe they have the right figure and unwilling to accept another. The Christians in my family think EVERY Palestinian is Humas, EVERY Muslim deep down wants to kill Christians, but don't consider themselves or views extreme. If I say EVERY Christian priest is a pedophile, or EVERY Christian male dominates women then I am a fool. But do you think the good Christians in my family will see it any other way then what their book says.

The killing may be sold to the punters as protecting resources, way of life, but the way I see it is just one religious group trying to eliminate an old foe. Regardless of belief, to go home and have dinner with the wife and kids, perhaps read a forum well into the evening when one has just flown a drone into a building killing ?. Is as soulless as a human can be. Hate comes in many forms even though all our blood is red. Perhaps humans deserve AI, just one soulless entity serving another.

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by DubaiRich

Spoke with my son over the weekend. He was let go from his job as a Data Scientist at Block Chain due to AI. Luckily, he has some cash reserves to tide him through until another opportunity presents itself.

I think the machines are already rising up!

Sorry to hear that. It also makes me a bit nervous for my son that will be graduating in 2027 with a degree in computer science and cybersecurity. My son is cautiously optimistic that there will be jobs available for people like him, he just doesn't know what it will look like as things are moving so fast right now.