Audi RS5 confirmed for North America

[gthal]

Originally Posted by shiggy

BINGO...you are so right...Audi has always been behind and they have always been reactionary...
BMW: Proactive...
Audi: Reactive...
I cant wait till they release the pricing for the RS5!.....very curious as to where they line up against the competition.

The RS5 should be better than the M3 because it was released after the E92and Audi can react as you say to everything BMW has done. I would expect the next M3 to, again, leapfrog Audi. Just the way it is. If the RS5 didn't provide better performance then that would be a huge fail for Audi.

[xxe92xx]

Originally Posted by ///Metak

+1, I just saw an S5 at the dealership with just a couple of options, Driver Select(which includes sport diff, adjustable suspension and steering), aluminum trim and the 19" wheel upgrade($400).

Grand Total: $66,680

The cheapest one I have ever seen was a Premium not Prestige package and it was $60k. So simple logic would put the RS5 price at about $80-85k if you're lucky, besides, that is what the RS4 was about four years ago.

Before I bought this M3, I considered the S5, but I just couldn't justify the price and performance when compared to the M. The same thing is going to happen with the RS5. It has already been mentioned, this is GTR territory, I'm afraid GTR wins in my book if I am looking to spend $85k. For now I will be happy with my $55,000, ever-so-slightly slower, standard sport diff, boring four door sedan.... sigh.

yeah

$85,000? come on now your jokin right

[mPlasticDesign]

Originally Posted by xxe92xx

yeah

$85,000? come on now your jokin right

No. The base MSRP with dest. will be $69-70k. That puts it exactly $10k higher base than an M3 coupe. A couple of options will easily push the price to $80k. It is what it is.

[M3 vert]

Originally Posted by Gearhead999s

The SMG transmission makes it a very tiresome car to drive at low speeds around town.The M3 with the 6 speed is such a better car in normal daily use.Yes the engine is awesome but I would sure not give up my M3 for one.

Then stick with the 6 speed manual E60 M5/M6

[shiggy]

Originally Posted by xxe92xx

yeah

$85,000? come on now your jokin right

typical Audi...under powered...over priced!
im very curious at what the price of an RS5 would be compared to a M3...time will tell!

[shiggy]

Originally Posted by gthal

The RS5 should be better than the M3 because it was released after the E92and Audi can react as you say to everything BMW has done. I would expect the next M3 to, again, leapfrog Audi. Just the way it is. If the RS5 didn't provide better performance then that would be a huge fail for Audi.

im sure it will...but by how much?
0-60 times
1/4 mile
slalom time and speed
lateral G
lap times.....if this RS5 is going to be 10 to 15k more than the M3...it better kill it or major fail by Audi...

[Gearhead999s]

Originally Posted by M3 vert

Then stick with the 6 speed manual E60 M5/M6

Was there not an issue with the manual M5's that you could not turn off the traction control,which of course does not allow it to be a true drivers car.I have never even have seen a "Non-Lurchamtic" M5 before

[M3 vert]

Originally Posted by Gearhead999s

Was there not an issue with the manual M5's that you could not turn off the traction control,which of course does not allow it to be a true drivers car.I have never even have seen a "Non-Lurchamtic" M5 before

You are right, there are very few of those, as most people went for the SMG

[mPlasticDesign]

Originally Posted by shiggy

typical Audi...under powered...over priced!
im very curious at what the price of an RS5 would be compared to a M3...time will tell!

Actually, Edmunds already is listing the RS5 with a base MSRP of $69,075 w/ destination. If anything this an unofficial price based off of the previous RS4 base price. When Audi releases official pricing, it is highly doubtful it will be a cent lower than that.

[domobrown]

Considering selling my M6 for this. I'm highly interested. M3 is nice, not exclusive enough though, this I like

[BMWCadet]

Originally Posted by domobrown

Considering selling my M6 for this. I'm highly interested. M3 is nice, not exclusive enough though, this I like

G Power the M6 unless you're bored with it.

[logpak23]

Originally Posted by shiggy

BINGO...you are so right...Audi has always been behind and they have always been reactionary...
BMW: Proactive...
Audi: Reactive...
I cant wait till they release the pricing for the RS5!.....very curious as to where they line up against the competition.

Audi's from the beginning of time have been forced induction, and everyone used to say its just a cheap way of getting horsepower. And dont forget audi came out with a high reving V8 before any of the other german car companies.

[Fanta]

Is RS5 a reliable car?
I want to drive a car out of town and I don't want to babysitting a car.

[mylydiamy]

Maybe I should've started a new thread but I am going to ask thsi questions anyway. Why do some of you love high revving engines so much? In other words, if you can get the same power with low revving turbo six with no turbo lag (plus a lot more fuel efficient and power is available sooner) that high revving NA V8 gives you, what is the downside?

I am just curious

[LIKEWATER]

Originally Posted by logpak23

Audi's from the beginning of time have been forced induction, and everyone used to say its just a cheap way of getting horsepower. And dont forget audi came out with a high reving V8 before any of the other german car companies.

A high revving motor is a BMW's M motor philosophy.
BMW planned a V8 M3 well before the E46 went out of production.
Sure Audi released the RS4 V8 at the end of the E46 lifecycle but remember the the M5/6 V10 was available and everyone already knew BMW would be taking two cylinders off the V10 to make the M3 motor.

[M3 vert]

Originally Posted by LIKEWATER

A high revving motor is a BMW's M motor philosophy.
BMW planned a V8 M3 well before the E46 went out of production.
Sure Audi released the RS4 V8 at the end of the E46 lifecycle but remember the the M5/6 V10 was available and everyone already knew BMW would be taking two cylinders off the V10 to make the M3 motor.

+ 1
Amen to that!

Theres a reason why The exotic companies like Ferrari, Maserati, Lamborghini, Aston Martin all use N/A motors. I think the latter represent the absolute pinnacle of automotive engineering!
(Ferrari did use a turbo in the F40, but it was a high-reving one and obviously very expensive )
And from Germany, only BMW M models were the purveyors of this philosophy of automotive excellence

I think if the next M3 is a FI but is somehow high revving then it might actually be really good, otherwise i will have to wait and drive it because, Its hard at this point to judge what kind of monster they are going to make it

[M3 vert]

Originally Posted by domobrown

Considering selling my M6 for this. I'm highly interested. M3 is nice, not exclusive enough though, this I like

I would not sell the M6 for the RS5

I think the M6 is a keeper, as its not clear whether they make one or not in the next generation bodystyle!

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=368335

You have something very special, and if you can keep it, DO IT!

[anucci]

Originally Posted by Gearhead999s

Was there not an issue with the manual M5's that you could not turn off the traction control,which of course does not allow it to be a true drivers car.I have never even have seen a "Non-Lurchamtic" M5 before

Originally yes, but then enough of us screamed and BMW caved. A simple software update allows one to totally turn off traction control in the 6MT M5/M6.

[anucci]

Originally Posted by mylydiamy

Maybe I should've started a new thread but I am going to ask thsi questions anyway. Why do some of you love high revving engines so much? In other words, if you can get the same power with low revving turbo six with no turbo lag (plus a lot more fuel efficient and power is available sooner) that high revving NA V8 gives you, what is the downside?

I am just curious

Typically, turbo motors do not deliver power in a nice linear fashion. And when you are driving at the limit and steering a car with minute throttle adjustments, the last thing you want is non-linear power delivery. None of this really matters for street driving. But for those who drive these cars on the track, or those that have a preference for high revving NA motors, it doesn't get much better than the current batch of M cars or audi RS4/R8 unless you go exotic (Ferarri, Lambo, etc.) or the GT3 (I am sure there a are a few others I am missing but you get the point).

[adc]

Originally Posted by ///Metak

For now I will be happy with my $55,000, ever-so-slightly slower, standard sport diff, boring four door sedan.... sigh.

+1. Heh, heh, heh.

The only way out of my M3 that I currently see is by way of the upcoming M1, if they make it as good (driving) as they claim. In other words something smaller, lighter, nimbler.

Edit: But the biggest turn-off for me is the lack of a manual transmission. Eh who knows, perhaps they will offer a manual in the RS5 too at some point.

[adc]

Originally Posted by logpak23

Audi's from the beginning of time have been forced induction, and everyone used to say its just a cheap way of getting horsepower.

Do you mean, memorable Audis?

The turbocharged AWD ur-Quattro was indeed an incredible machine which single-handedly head-butted the World Rally Championship into the future. I wouldn't mind owning one of those today, they are fun cars. Or even better, the 300BHP limited edition Sport Quattro.

I've owned a few Audis in the past - I was very partial to the brand until I test drove an E36 M3. Seems to me their true glory days were in the 80s. Recently they came up with the R8 which I wouldn't mind owning at all, but it is completely out of my price range (and very unpractical as a family car). Besides, I cannot help but feel a little weird about them plundering the Lamborghini parts bin for the R8 (oops, I meant co-developing).

And dont forget audi came out with a high reving V8 before any of the other german car companies.

So BMW came up with the concept of a high revving 6 a lot earlier than that. 6, 8 cylinders big deal. It was Audi who copied BMW (and more exotic brands) in the category of high revving NA engines, not the other way around.

Yes they did escalate the game to 8 cylinders, but I don't feel that was a breakthrough of any sort.

[luckistryke]

Originally Posted by domobrown

M3 is nice, not exclusive enough though, this I like

+1 there are always ppl out there willing to paid more to stand out