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Glad to see Ford doing well. Among the domestics, it's the company I like the most. It's also not a surprise that the Mustang sells well upon initial access to the world market. It's a legendary name and it's finally officially being sold in many markets outside of the US. I wonder if the car will still be doing well this time next year. Or if it's global sales will mirror the anecdotal evidence I've seen with the coyote powered s197s, in which the cars sold pretty well to people who never owned a mustang before and those people sold them off 2-3 years after purchase because they didn't care for them. I'm one of those people, but I know about 5-6 other people who did the same thing for the same reason. If nothing else, the seating position, even on the current car, is just not all that great compared with our cars. The mustang is a car that seems to drive at least as heavy as it is, which is the exact opposite to something like a BMW, which drives smaller/lighter than it is--especially as you drive it harder.
To me, that a car gets a faster lap time than something else really isn't all that important. It's cool to see where the various cars fit in with each other, but when it comes to actually buying something, I'd rather buy the more engaging product. What is it actually like to drive? How do I feel when I'm behind the wheel? Is the steering dead and the shifter a sloppy mess? What does it sound like? This is toss up, IMO, between the coyote and S65. I've never heard an S65 that sounds as good as a coyote with even a basic exhaust upgrade (GT500 muffler). OTOH, the S65 itself sounds much better than a coyote. Although I really like the coyote motor, I'd still take an e9x over anything short of possibly a GT350 or even previous gen 13-14 GT500. But I don't see myself ever getting back into a Mustang GT. Nice enough cars, but just not for me. |
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I don't think so not with the VAT tax and such. Not to mention Ford has a pretty good hurdle to soothe the fears of Europeans that the Mustang is a rustbucket that can't handle worth a damm. Not my feelings, but I talk to quite a few friends and relatives and always have to tell them thats not the case with the S550. Ford will sell 80% of the Mustangs here is the good ole USA> Dave
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Its not just the Ford Mustang, its pretty much any car made in the USA. Dave
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I'm not really surprised. When I was in Miami (summer of 2013), not a minute has passed without a Mustang passing by (most of them were convertibles). Cheap "sports" car I assumed.
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Those are all the rental cars, they are cheap. On that note, in the DC area I see just as many entry level 3 series as Mustangs.
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My issue with the Mustang isnt so much the car, or the company, but the drivers themselves. Forgive me while I stereotype, but as a whole, Mustang owners are quite possibly the cockiest, biggest bunch of assholes on this planet. There is a local Muscle car club here, and I was invited by a buddy of mine who has a newer Mustang GT to one of their meets. he is a cool guy and likes all types of cars, and actually used to own an E46 M3 and was in the market for an E92 when he got the Mustang but didnt want to spend that much money. Most cars at said meet were Mustangs, and their owners rubbed me the wrong way from the moment I drove up. they were all pretty dismissive of anything that wasnt "'Murican Muscle" and basically ignored me the whole time. went to another one of their meets, and the same thing. Never again. I have observed the way they all talk on the forums they are on and they definitely fit the Mustang owner stereotype to a T. I try to respect everyones car even if its not for me (and Mustangs just arent my cup of tea, but I keep it to myself). These assholes didnt respect anything. All they did was talk shit and talk about how amazing their cars were. I am good. Dont need to be a part of that. Ill stick with my "slow" M3 and remain humble. |
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The fact that they don't use a pro, heck, they don't use the same journalist for all of the reviews, but rather split all the cars up for the official times makes LL so far from consistent or representative of any cars actual performance that I find their results useless. For all magazine tests, if a car has new tires vs. One that has been driven on the street for hundreds of miles in a long term test, that variance can be second(S). Anyone who does HPDE events will know that their lap times in the first session of the morning can be second(S) faster than their times in the worst part of the day at 1-5pm. Most magazines don't rush through to test all of their cars back to back for consistent weather conditions or tire life, and just recently have some started to not run doorjamb cold pressures (where they will get well over 40psi hot in a couple laps). Because of all of this, lap times can vary my multiple seconds from weather and tire conditions, let alone when you use different amateur drivers to test multiple cars like LL does. While magazine tests are the only ammo for most people and especially bench racers, they are mostly flawwed and useles, and LL is one of the worst. 0.02 On the Mustang note, I've tracked a bunch of Boss', E92/0 M3s and 2015 GTPPs. I think Fords claims are true, just look at each car's power:weight:torque:tires, its not too hard to believe. Having tracked a bunch of cars in LL, their results are only representative and close for 1-2 of their (5?) Different drivers. As far as car communities go, its a bit ironic when the stereotype is that BMW owners are pompous pricks. I think anyone can have a bad experience when they are a fish out of water in another car group, like a sporting fan wearing the wrong jersey... I think for the most part all car groups have their share of bad people bit for the most part have far more good people in them. Last edited by Billj747; 09-18-2015 at 08:01 AM.. |
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I have always said, "A nice sport car needs to have high performance and a great design". For me Mustangs lack the elegance of a great design interior and exterior. German cars like BMW do a great job on the design. Performance might be getting better but personally I hate the sequential rear turning signal and the whole rear of Mustangs. Not to mention the overall look of the car. The front is not that bad. Not because it sells more it means that it's better. Good for Ford. I hope it help to bring up the price of the stock!!!!
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Yes there are those guys who are all about the muslce scene, and disregard other brands. But i am really glad to see the new 5.0L mustang is in fact slower in a straight than the last generation. So that now when you see them on the streets, they are smoking anyone. My problem with the mustang is that is a low budget car. They start at like 22k. Why would i buy a mustang when i can afford to buy cars that cost over 60k ? sure a GT500 might be cool, but other than that no thanks. I would rather drive a slower more expensive car. |
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