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08-25-2007, 02:43 PM | #23 |
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I was pointing out that PAG does have it in them to produce the benchmark power and beyond. The 911S is a regular model, when optioned with the X51 will produce 381 hp. It may be a ridiculously expensive option, but it's there if you want it. But, I do understand your post.
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08-25-2007, 02:52 PM | #25 | |
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I don't have a problem with paying the extra cash. It's how that cash is retained in the form of residuals and the miles I can drive. If, I knew that the turbo would hold a better value and you could actually drive the car 8-9k annually without losing your shirt, I'd go there in a minute. Obviously, the initial cost relative to the residual matters, but I believe that these cars will likely depreciate at a similar rate-unlike the E46, each with low mileage usage. I would think that the M will be favored slightly, but probably not enough to change my mind. We should know a lot more in a few months. Who knows, one drive in the new M and maybe I'll reconsider. |
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08-25-2007, 03:14 PM | #28 | |
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I fund it rather amusing that you wish to tell me that I am fooling myself or others. Why do I care about fooling anyone. Who cares what car you, I or anyone likes. It's what is important to you that matters. I, thought, you of all members on this forum had a little more reasoning than some others. You have proven me wrong. If you think I am in denial or attemtping to fool someone, so be it. (Curious, who and what is it I am attemtping to fool?) This stuff doesn't matter. We are talking about our passion for cars. |
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08-25-2007, 03:22 PM | #29 | |
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On the other hand, you are absolutely right about buying what you want. If one can afford it, one should buy the 911 if that's the car he/she enjoys the most. Period. What's all this financial reasoning that doesn't make any sense about? There is no economic rationale whatsoever for buying a new 911 over a M3. |
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08-25-2007, 03:25 PM | #30 | |
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I want a Ferrari. So, with that reasoning, I should go buy it? Assuming, I'm not yakking, of course. |
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08-25-2007, 03:28 PM | #31 | |
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You might find it interesting that several members (997 owners) of the Rennteam forum (porsche/ferrari, in case you didn't know) are waiting for the M to be released. Some of them, like me, want to have all the facts first before making their next purchase. |
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08-25-2007, 03:31 PM | #32 | |
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"Fooling in reference to: Do you even own that turbo? Have you ever even driven a 911? and so on..." I'd say, if you can afford it, you should buy the Ferrari. Or rather, if you can afford it, your decision to buy the Ferrari should not be based on economics because if it is, that means you can't really afford it. |
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08-25-2007, 03:42 PM | #33 | |
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2006 997 C4S Cab, seal grey 2005 997S artic silver 2003 BMW M3 ti silver 2002 BMW M3 ti silver It doesn't matter if you believe this or not. You are just looking for an argument. |
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08-25-2007, 03:46 PM | #34 | |
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Not really. Simply pointing out the nonsense behind these posts which state the decision between a new 911 and a M3 hinges on some kind of financial rationale. One is significantly more expensive than the other however you look at it. Regardless of a 55k or 65k M3 base price. Period. So if you can afford the 911, your decision to buy a M3, if that's the car you want, cannot be based on finances. You don't seem to be able to get that, and that's fine. I don't care about how you spend the money you do or do not have.
In the context of the broader discussion on the anticipated M3 US pricing on this forum, the reasoning I have outlined, which has also been outlined by others, simply point out that the 911 will never become an alternative to the M3 from a financial perspective--as long as BMW doesn't price it at $75k. Last edited by lucid; 08-25-2007 at 05:17 PM.. |
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08-25-2007, 04:48 PM | #36 | |
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"I want a Ferrari. So, with that reasoning, I should go buy it?" And I simply answered that. If you don't want an answer, don't ask the question. |
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Envy? Envy what? I have the means to buy a M3, a 911, or a Turbo--not that it would have made a difference if I didn't. I would have owned a P car if I wanted one. What does that have to do with this discussion? You realize you're not making sense, and try to make things personal instead? Nice.
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08-25-2007, 07:06 PM | #39 | |
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My decsion is not based soley on the financial dicison. Let me give you an example; if the 911S gets the anticipated 400 HP bump and the M3 comes in at what I consider high, then I will clearly go with the Porsche. Other than that, I will wait and see. My decision process can't be summarized, or catagorized for that matter, into some nice neat box for you to understand. So, yes, again, you are clearly looking for an arguement. I haven't bashed your almightly fanatasy BMW in the least. I simply questioned it's price. I wonder who it is that is posing. |
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08-25-2007, 07:13 PM | #40 | |
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I have no fantasy centered around the M3. I simply want to buy a sports coupe I will truly enjoy within the next 12 months. I am waiting for the GTR, ISF, and the revised 911--not just for the M3. I've said that many times on this forum. |
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It's interesting that they are getting that much hp from DFI. The Cayman S will get DFI along with a refresh for MY09. Things would get pretty interesting in that car with 325-330 hp and less than 3,000 lbs.
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08-25-2007, 07:20 PM | #42 | |
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Then what is it that you disgree with me about, because I am really confused about your responses. I have never said that one who can afford a 911 can't afford a M3. What on earth are you talking about. Thanks so much for the education on the differences between an objective and subjective opinion; oh... lest I forget algebra, so I now can value it objectively. Your posts are full of such anger, just relax Lucid. |
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08-25-2007, 07:27 PM | #43 | |
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1. I can afford a 911. 2. I would buy a M3 if it is not priced higher than $55k. And, what makes me think most of these posters are posers in one way or another is the inherent contradiction in those two statements. Why would someone who can clearly budget $80k for a car be so concerned about the base price of a much cheaper car if the cheaper car turns out to be what he/she "wants"? Tell me if I am misinterpreting that sentence. |
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08-25-2007, 07:42 PM | #44 | |
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There are numerous factors which will help me choose. One example is if P gives the 911 400 ponies. Another is what the actual cost of the M is. Yet another is how I felt about the M after a test drive and a visual. My choice will not be limited to these considerations, but these are a few that will help. Or, you can view it like this, if the 911S were to remain @355 and the M comes in around $55-60; I'll likely go M. Does that help? We have discussed the residuals, however, we haven't agreed on that topic. That's fine. I'll value another opinion, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with it. I am clearly OK going with a much more expensive car if I feel it is worth it. I will be able to form that opinion with upcoming info on both of these cars. |
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