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Only Liberals have the arrogance to think man can adversely effect the Earth's climate and conversely fix it. I've never seen an Liberal counter argument that explains how the Earth has moved in and out of ice ages over the last 4 billion years without any intervention from humans either causing global cooling (ice ages) or global warming (ice retardation). And only liberals are arrogant enough to think they have the right to dictate how the rest of us should live. If you don't like my country and the gift to freely voice your opinion then move somewhere else; we'll get along fine without you and the idiots (not name calling - a descriptive term) you put in office. The Earth is not going to be here forever, you can't save the planet, you need to accept that. |
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I should have worded my post's differently.
It just seems we are playing checkers while "others" are strategically and deliberately placing their chess pieces. Bothersome. Whipping post is what I see. Not a this or that and despise all "sided" news channels. Good day.
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I agree with your points, and find it both shocking and hilarious that people still think global warming is a construct of liberal politicians, despite the vast majority of some of the smartest people on earth, MANY of whom aren't even affiliated with the US political system, think Man is indeed contributing to global warming. The point of my post was to say that even as more regulation is being implemented to help curb CO2 emissions in the US by cars, cars are still becoming more powerful, faster, safe, etc, AS they also become more efficient. I see these regulations as a good thing for the autosport industry, as it's going to continue to push innovation. But some people still long for the day of the 454 engine getting 5 mpg and NEARLY 400 hp. |
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Please educate me, what has a sub 4 second 0-60 and gets 30+ mpg. There is probably something with an out of sight price.
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You act like this is the first time the US government has unveiled ambitious plans to cut back emissions, every time automakers have managed to not only meet them, but make cars faster and more efficient through the use of turbocharging, light weight materials, 8-9 speed transmissions, etc etc. Our cars can beat V8 powered muscle cars from just 10 years ago that were considered some of the fastest road going cars for folks that were reasonably priced. Our cars can embarrass them while at the same time getting significantly better gas mileage. I'd argue that most of these restrictions are probably not even necessary, the auto market is moving in that direction anyway not because they want to "save the environment" but to hedge against the risk concerning the unpredictability of oil prices. But don't kid yourself, even without these regulations, automakers would be doing this stuff at some point anyway, ones that want to stick around long term anyway. This topic is sort of beating a dead horse anyway, I've heard this nonsense of the end of fast cars for over 10 years now meanwhile cars have gotten nothing but faster and more efficient over time. |
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But what do I know? Keep drinking the partisan kool-aid. |
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Not everyone subscribes to the hypothesis that CO2 is the single most important driver of Earth's climate. Certainly, the issue benefits both the UN, because it appears to require a worldwide solution and the left, because CO2 is something that can be regulated and the left loves to regulate. Scientists can be bought and the UN has about 2,500 on the take peer reviewing each other. Most of the rest are at left leaning universities. Europe has been run by the left for decades so they love this.
The rhetoric is disturbing. Anyone who does not agree is a denier, no longer a skeptic. It's presented as settled science or fact with no room for debate. For an alternative to the UN IPCC look here: http://wattsupwiththat.com/
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Your argument is like saying if the tax on liquor went to $50 per bottle it wouldn't make any difference because liquor has been taxed forever and people still drink. Folks would keep drinking, but it would hurt, and the EPA rules will hurt.
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The i8 is also a terrible example as nothing proposed by Obama indicates we'll HAVE to rely on hybrid sports cars to go fast. Corvettes, M3's et al. will still be widely available and will continue on. But keep drinking the Fox News and talk radio kool aid and enjoy freaking out over nothing. Crazy how people will blindly just believe anything so long as it feeds some misguided ideology they have. I figure that's what you're doing anyway, since you completely ignored the rest of my post about how automotive companies would continue to find methods to increase efficiency even in a hypothetical absence of regulations to hedge against the risk presented by oil prices and their random spikes in price. Here's an article that talks about how new, tougher and challenging EPA regulations on the automotive industry will do nothing but increase costs too much and stifle the business. It was written on April 24, 1980, http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1...tion-fuel-cost EDIT: Either way, this topic should be moved to the Politics section where it belonged in the first place. Last edited by fecurtis; 11-13-2014 at 11:10 AM.. |
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It's a matter of degree. We could argue about this all day, the future will be revealed later. One of the ways the EPA got automakers to go along with the new regs is there is a 2018 review point. If technology has not advanced enough, the further efficiency increases will be suspended. This is because they believed by 2018 technology will not have improved enough to continue with further improvements in efficiency.
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One other thing that just occurred to me, during this period of fast cars in spite of tough regulations GM and Chrysler went broke. I guess that was for other reasons...
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And exactly how is gun ownership an issue wanting to be "pushed", when it is already settled by the 2nd Amendment of the U.S. Constitution? You lost me on that one... |
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and fecurits, go talk to some aircraft engineers, see how efficient commerical aircraft actually are... |
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I think the gun issue is the left pushing gun control.
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