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Most of all, they make it a lot easier to trail brake way deeper into turns. See below. The E46M3 in front has just a front BBK. Our cars and driving skills are pretty similar. See how I eat him up in the hard braking zones? Then look at T10, he couldn't take the line I took because his rear end would get loose. I had no problems braking almost half way around that turn. There might be some data that would say otherwise but I think the proof is in the end result. If I thought the rear brakes were so great...why bother upgrading the fronts when I can just put some ducts in?
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I don't disagree that rears are still a huge upgrade. But, for HPDE events, if bias is still ok, it can be had without them. My rears as it is, still last about 6-8 months or 8-12 events, while the fronts are gone in almost one weekend, sometimes one day depending on amount of sessions.
I can see the benefit however of doing pad rotation. But we all start somewhere, and I'll start front only for now. Quote:
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Thanks for your input
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My main reason for the BBK is long run pad wear, I spend too much money on pads, that I can put into a nice BBK, and save in the long haul. I don't have an issue stopping, maybe because I'm not fast enough yet .. but the pad wear is too much really. Thanks again for the advice and input, keep it coming
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I can get about 12 weekends out of 2 sets of pads that I rotate front to rear a couple of times. Cost is about $300 for a set, so my pad costs are $50/weekend. Your rotors should be good for another year. In your case, let's say a set of front or rear pads cost about $250 per axle. So let's say your front pads last 2 weekends and the rears last the entire 12 events. Your per event pad cost is almost $150/weekend. With that many pads, you'll easily need a new set of friction rings - $500/pr. So your brake costs are almost $200 per weekend. A rear BBK can save you almost $150 per weekend or $1800/yr. The rear BBK may pay for itself in 2 years. OH...ST friction rings are cheaper than OEM rotors.
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Don't get me started on 17" rims...
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can you explain why bw race exhaust is saving money and safer for me to my wife?
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Less weight = better gas mileage. Duh.
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FWIW, I don't love to tell anyone anything. I offer my 2 decades of track and racing experience to help people. Just b/c what I said about need a big brake kit is true, doesn't mean I get some personal satisfaction out of crushing someone's BBK dream. OP: if you are getting the BBK, enjoy it. You'll get to learn a few new things. I'm glad you aren't tracking those rotors in the pics. That may have turned into a "that won't buff out" situation. Have fun!
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The car doesn't NEED at BBK...I agree. The OEM brakes work with the knowledge that they need some closer management than most would expect. I look at it from a cost perspective. More so on the E9X M3...it will save you $$$ over the long run. I also think a $5k 4 wheel BBK is a much better place to spend your money vs an exhaust, mid pipe, and software (probably about $5k). Hell...even coilovers. Can we all agree on that?
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Decision made, going front ST-40 for now, then rear in summer. Should be ordering in about a week or so, no point wasting money on rotors if I was eventually going to pull the trigger anyway.
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i think basically you need all 3 at the same time. if you get a track focused rcomp and have stock suspension and brakes both will be overshadowed and outmatched by the tires. to get the benefit out of the tires you need the suspension and brakes to be as focused.
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