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GT-R will be a M3 competitor when it is offered in sedan form, if ever.
Every comparo the M3 has won its segment. Period. Go warm up your 91 Accord and go for a drive. Quote:
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I guess I understand what ruff said, but I also agree with a lot of what the others have said.
>GT-Rs have been beating M3s for a long time in terms of outright pace. >M3 is a far better daily driver (yes, it drinks fuel, so if you care about that over everything else, buy a 335) than the GT-R. >M3 is waaaay easier on the eyes (my opinion). >I much prefer the inside of the M3 to the GT-R. I know you can get most of the M3 look in a 335 as well, but I'm afraid I can't bear the gadget overloaded, gimmicky look that the GT-R has. In all honesty I have no interest in seeing a graph that displays how many Gs I'm pulling. The very fact that the system was made by a video game manufacturer (that thinks it produces the REAL driving simulator, when it actually rewards a player for using other cars as mobile turning aids) explains its credentials. >I haven't driven a GT-R, but from what I've read I would love to take one for a drive, maybe even every now and then. Definitely on a track. But would I rather own a GT-R to my M3, absolutely no chance...and that's why BMW got my money. As JEllis said "BMW does not care", they are achieving what they set out to achieve with the M3. |
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10-04-2008, 01:26 AM | #26 |
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the gtr is an awesome car and i love its performance... but i still ordered an m3... maybe i am dumb but i like the m3's balance of refinement, usability and daily driving ability....i sat in a GTR before and i still like the interior of the m3 more... i also like the styling of the m3 more than the GTR and things like folding back seats is a plus because i'll be able to fit my bicycle in the car without using racks....
if i had the money to do so, i would no doubt get a GTR as a track car and an m3 as my daily car but i dont have the money to do that... so i have to decide which is more important. obviously for me, it would be to have a solid daily driver that i can use comfortably.
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i would get an Accord before I got an GTR - but only the V6 2 door accord.
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10-04-2008, 04:55 AM | #29 |
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The question is not whether BMW and Porsche feel they need to compete with Nissan, the reality is that they don't. The kind of person who buys either a Porsche or a BMW will still buy that car and the reason is Nissan as a brand aren't held in as high esteem for image, the key deciding factor for one to purchase a car or not. Sure some will make the shift to Nissan but the percentage will be so small as to not be worth noticing.
There is only one car of the horizon that could possibly have BMW M-Division concerned and that is the RS5, it's a direct rival on both image and status and the kind of person who might purchase an M3 will also look at an Audi if it delivers on the driving experience. Next year will be an interesting time for us and BMW. |
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OP: the GTR is a nice car and i will buy one and im sure many of the M3 drivers here can afford one and buy one if they wanted to ... you dont own either the GTR or M3 ... sooo .... :finger:
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What Ruff is saying;
Competition isn`t a bad thing...........................and so it is, it brings the best performance out of the manufacturers, everybody should be happy with this. It is like the Chinese walking in space as we speak, so it`s time for Americans to beef up the speed on space exploration, as the NASA has slept for years because of lack in competition .................................think about that.....to boldly go, where no one has gone before..................................( OMG, why does it take that long??) |
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I agree that fuel economy is the one area where the M3 really lacks. A Z51 vette still gets 26mpg on the highway and I'm surprised that BMW couldn't get closer.
But this whole GTR>M3 thing...have you even driven both cars or are you just looking at numbers printed in a magazine?
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he was actually trying to compare the viper engine to the m3, putting in perspective not only the torque but the gas mileage. if you add x and y to the m3 then it will own the gtr....please. The m3 loses out in every performance aspect no use arguing it really. Just keep arguing for the " feel " of the car, these intangible aspects of a car such as soul, tradition, and passion. I guess you'll never really be proven wrong. but the m3 is so amazingly sexy. Id much rather have looks over a few extra seconds on the track. |
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the gtr has been ahead of the m3 for A LONG time the r35 just put everyones attention onto the gtr
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I was looking into the gtr but found out that transmission oil cost about $80 a quart and it takes 10 quarts to fill
it's just too much..... I want to be able to change my wheels and exhaust without the world ending it's a sick car but the maintenance is no where near an m3 it makes the m3 look like a honda in terms of maintenance
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and the transmission replacements aren't due to clutch packs either.....
what else brake pads....are like $500 for two off of courtesynissan.com I don't know guys doesn't sound like an m3 competitor to me
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Who dropped some rocks into that guys tranny? That thing looks like a mess.
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Car & Driver says 2008 M3 better than 2009 GT-R and 2008 911 Turbo! It seems M division is already "at the head of it's class at building the best all around sports car for the money" !! http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...omparison_test Last edited by White Shark; 10-04-2008 at 06:07 PM.. |
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My thoughts about the thread are mixed, I both agree and disagree. However, to those people who are bashing him because he drives an accord, you exemplify every "douchebag elitist M3 driver" stereotype.
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[QUOTE=bigjae1976;3419327]I agree that fuel economy is the one area where the M3 really lacks. A Z51 vette still gets 26mpg on the highway and I'm surprised that BMW couldn't get closer.
But this whole GTR>M3 thing...have you even driven both cars or are you just looking at numbers printed in a magazine?[/QUOTE A Z07 gets 26 mi/gal too! An E63 AMG gets 20 mi/gal! It would be nice if BMW M cars could get mi/gal comparable to their competitors, normalized to displacement.
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