ESS VT3 - LC built engine failure in 2,000 miles

[filinm3]

Roman,

Could you make public all 50 .drf files available for download so that the whole picture could be seen?

If you treat this impossible, no problem, cause we are already on different planets in this situation.

But showing this only graph in confirmation of something, simply makes no sense either.

[biglare]

Originally Posted by filinm3

Roman,

Could you make public all 50 .drf files available for download so that the whole picture could be seen?

If you treat this impossible, no problem, cause we are already on different planets in this situation.

But showing this only graph in confirmation of something, simply makes no sense either.

You said you are done with Roman and AJ and now you want them to post something else? I'm confused?

[filinm3]

Originally Posted by biglare

You said you are done with Roman and AJ and now you want them to post something else? I'm confused?

I need nothing from them. This is their choice only.

I just showed the bullshit they did with my car for my money and time.

[Beedub]

Not even guns lie..... pretty shocked at those fuel pics from how the car was sent from ESS... even IF filin is the biggest Douche on the planet, those pics show imo an Unacceptable standard.... the pics don't lie...

[filinm3]

Originally Posted by Beedub

Not even guns lie..... pretty shocked at those fuel pics from how the car was sent from ESS... even IF filin is the biggest Douche on the planet, those pics show imo an Unacceptable standard.... the pics don't lie...

Filin WAS the biggest FAN of ESS and their ambassador in Russia from 2009... Every single ESS kit was sold in Russia during those 5 years only due to my everyday advertisement of ESS and their quality...

Everything was f....d out in a day and ESS feel nothing bad about all this being consistent in their defensive stories.

They still think my task was to shut down their business, but in reality my only goal in 2013 with respect to my car was to have it VT3 built and daily driven with no issues. No way

[Brooklyn Mark]

that sucks

[M-powerMode]

Originally Posted by filinm3

Filin WAS the biggest FAN of ESS and their ambassador in Russia from 2009... Every single ESS kit was sold in Russia during those 5 years only due to my everyday advertisement of ESS and their quality...

Everything was f....d out in a day and ESS feel nothing bad about all this being consistent in their defensive stories.

They still think my task was to shut down their business, but in reality my only goal in 2013 with respect to my car was to have it VT3 built and daily driven with no issues. No way

I really think your shooting yourself in the foot.....

Your car is sorted out so enjoy it and leave it at that. You're not gonna change anything... Let things defuse .

Just a thought, enjoy the new power.

[Beedub]

Originally Posted by M-powerMode

I really think your shooting yourself in the foot.....

Your car is sorted out so enjoy it and leave it at that. You're not gonna change anything... Let things defuse .

Just a thought, enjoy the new power.

he's just a pissed of customer...... i would be too if i saw that standard on my car after paying what he paid..... theirs no gun to shoot himself in the foot in this situation.... he's rightly pissed off..... not saying he's not blameless. However filin, you've made your point, you've shown what you needed too and you've done some damage , a site that rhymes with stimmer-boost who will love this bad publicity for ess has run this as a front page story... time to leave it now and enjoy your car.


OP on a side note, how did you get the re-circ valve to be so loud? your pics show its still dumping back into the intake or did you remove that for the video clip???

[Petros]

Originally Posted by MFL

This thread is doing 100MPH in a Potato Zone.

There are two guarantees with FI BMW's.
1. They WILL Break, repeatedly
2. You will spend lots of time and money fixing them when they do break

These issues are exacerbated if you dip below the Corky Diagonal on the Horsepower to Intelligence Scale.

Seriously, that's what I keep saying. The M3 is a terrible platform for a high power build. It just isn't designed for that. Not to mention the complexity and cost of the engine and other components on the car. A used Vette or Mustang are an easy way to make a gazillion horsepower cheaply and reliably. And if they break, well, the whole car costs less to replace than an S65 engine.

[M-powerMode]

Originally Posted by Beedub

he's just a pissed of customer...... i would be too if i saw that standard on my car after paying what he paid..... theirs no gun to shoot himself in the foot in this situation.... he's rightly pissed off..... not saying he's not blameless. However filin, you've made your point, you've shown what you needed too and you've done some damage , a site that rhymes with stimmer-boost who will love this bad publicity for ess has run this as a front page story... time to leave it now and enjoy your car.


OP on a side note, how did you get the re-circ valve to be so loud? your pics show its still dumping back into the intake or did you remove that for the video clip???

Yes... He's shooting himself in the foot !
He's driving a highly modified car and his chances of future product support " which he will need at some point" is getting smaller and smaller in the rear view Mirror...

As far as the ambassador remark ... If it wasn't him it would be someone else, a solid product will always suffice , kinda like the truth.

And judging by the way he revs his car at a standstill it shows his aggressiveness and I can see ESS's claims about the break-in being ignored being truthful...
To add to that his appetite for power will grow and guess what .... No support !!

Be a gentleman and come to an agreement or at least have a tame discussion and you will see things calm down and humbleness will come into play and things will fall in the right place .
That's a wiser approach rather then the current one..

Either way looking forward to your results

[Beedub]

Originally Posted by M-powerMode

Yes... He's shooting himself in the foot !
He's driving a highly modified car and his chances of future product support " which he will need at some point" is getting smaller and smaller in the rear view Mirror...

As far as the ambassador remark ... If it wasn't him it would be someone else, a solid product will always suffice , kinda like the truth.

And judging by the way he revs his car at a standstill it shows his aggressiveness and I can see ESS's claims about the break-in being ignored being truthful...
To add to that his appetite for power will grow and guess what .... No support !!

Be a gentleman and come to an agreement or at least have a tame discussion and you will see things calm down and humbleness will come into play and things will fall in the right place .
That's a wiser approach rather then the current one..

Either way looking forward to your results

how about one comment we can all work by....

Don't buy a "beta" ( to use romans word) product that costs 25k plus from the off anyway......

[filinm3]

Originally Posted by M-powerMode

Yes... He's shooting himself in the foot !
He's driving a highly modified car and his chances of future product support " which he will need at some point" is getting smaller and smaller in the rear view Mirror...

As far as the ambassador remark ... If it wasn't him it would be someone else, a solid product will always suffice , kinda like the truth.

And judging by the way he revs his car at a standstill it shows his aggressiveness and I can see ESS's claims about the break-in being ignored being truthful...
To add to that his appetite for power will grow and guess what .... No support !!

Be a gentleman and come to an agreement or at least have a tame discussion and you will see things calm down and humbleness will come into play and things will fall in the right place .
That's a wiser approach rather then the current one..

Either way looking forward to your results

The revss at standstill were 4500 max. What a problem? The car is broken in
already by the time of that vid.

You will be the last guy I need advice from. And the support of ESS is a bullshit, no need either. When I need it, I was fucked off. That's it.

[aussiem3]

Epic ...

[Raypan]

Originally Posted by aussiem3

Epic ...

Indeed

[M-powerMode]

Originally Posted by filinm3

The revss at standstill were 4500 max. What a problem? The car is broken in
already by the time of that vid.

You will be the last guy I need advice from. And the support of ESS is a bullshit, no need either. When I need it, I was fucked off. That's it.

[8k3]

what exhaust are you running filinm3

[filinm3]

Originally Posted by 8k3

what exhaust are you running filinm3

Gintani Race

Full Catless Quad-Resonated.

[Hans@ESS]

Sergei,

I personally did the dyno testing on your car in Norway.

I can confirm that the dyno's posted are from your car right before
delivery. VT3 testing and development has been done in the US and your car
is the only VT3 car that has ever been on the Norwegian dyno so to try and
claim otherwise is simply incorrect.

We tested the car with air fuel monitoring and fuel pressure monitoring on
the dyno. Your fuel pressure and airfuel was 100% when we did the last dyno
run right before the car was picked up by you as the dyno's prove.

If the fuel system had not been working properly I would simply not given
you the car. Why would I deliver a car I knew did not work? This logic makes
no sense other than to shift blame after you damaged your motor in an
attempt to have us pay the bill.

There is no doubt that something had gone wrong later on, otherwise your
engine would not have been damaged. My guess based on the information you
gave us and our history with these builds is that the fuel pressure
regulator went bad and that the fuel pressure was not stable. We did send
you a new fuel pressure regulator and this is the one you are using now.

The point is that you should have installed the gauges before driving the
car hard and you should not have continued to drive the car hard after
feeling problems at higher rpms. This was a bad choice and is 100% the
reason your motor failed.

I also clearly stated to you that we wanted more time to do hard road
testing on the car. You ignored this and collected the car in haste. If a
problem had turned up while we where testing the car it would have been
fixed and this situation would have been avoided. Again another bad decision
on your part.

When it comes to the fuel system I see that you have changed the fuel lines.
The hoses/fittings used by ESS are high quality fuel hoses.
The hoses used under the car are protected by the oem plastic covers and
there is nothing in this installation that is dangerous or not safe. Did you
ever have a fuel leak?

Your statement regarding the fuel pump being wired the wrong way is simply
not correct. It would not be possible for one pump to deliver enough fuel to
get this air fuel and correct fuel pressure and the vehicle would not have
run to redline.
You say that you tested the pump in water?? and that you are now using a
pump that you claim has been running the wrong way for all this time again??
Most of what you post makes no sense other than that you clearly do not want
to take any responsibility for your own actions and when things break you
make up false stories in an attempt to have someone else pay the bill as you
have done in this case.

Your history speaks for itself im afraid, two blown stock motors from
overboosting kits and a 3rd from not following simple directions. You have
only yourself to blame for your history of damaged motors. You handled not
only your vehicle but this entire matter incorrectly from the beginning.

Hans

[s85e90]

I don't know if the car would even run with the pump wired backwards???

[IMG]

Originally Posted by s85e90

I don't know if the car would even run with the pump wired backwards???

It should run but it will be depending on only the oem pump. The backwards wired pump wont draw back fuel from the lines,its got a check valve that flows one direction.

[regular guy]

Originally Posted by s85e90

I don't know if the car would even run with the pump wired backwards???

He's not talking about the OEM pump. I called the aftermarket pump maker and confirmed that it is made from a single phase DC motor. That type of motor "IF" wired backwards would actually run the pump backwards. The aftermarket pump maker confirmed that also. But...they also said their system was designed with a check valve. So if it were running backwards, there would be no output at all.

When I look at Sergei's comments closely and trying to translate for a non-English speaker, it sounds like he's saying when he tested the aftermarket pump he got no output at all, or when he did that it seemed to be sucking gas away, not pumping towards. That sounds like it's running backwards, but the wires don't look mixed up to me. So that would mean if it were running backwards, it would have been a wiring flaw at the pump maker, and not ESS.

With all that said, I wasn't there, and I'm not trying to aid one side or the other. Just trying to clarify what I do know and see if it fits the pieces of the puzzle.

[s85e90]

Originally Posted by regular guy

He's not talking about the OEM pump. I called the aftermarket pump maker and confirmed that it is made from a single phase DC motor. That type of motor "IF" wired backwards would actually run the pump backwards. The aftermarket pump maker confirmed that also. But...they also said their system was designed with a check valve. So if it were running backwards, there would be no output at all.

When I look at Sergei's comments closely and trying to translate for a non-English speaker, it sounds like he's saying when he tested the aftermarket pump he got no output at all, or when he did that it seemed to be sucking gas away, not pumping towards. That sounds like it's running backwards, but the wires don't look mixed up to me. So that would mean if it were running backwards, it would have been a wiring flaw at the pump maker, and not ESS.

With all that said, I wasn't there, and I'm not trying to aid one side or the other. Just trying to clarify what I do know and see if it fits the pieces of the puzzle.

Yes, I know we're talking about a/m pumps, which also have been known to use black + and red - rather than the normal red+ and black- causing some people to hook them up backwards. But I am pretty sure this would mean that the pump would be trying to pull fuel from the rail/motor and may not let the engine run.

this pump was run alone? or in series to the OE pump.