Man Down! 2008 M3 Rod Bearing Failed

[IIAp3x]

Originally Posted by SenorFunkyPants

Why should BMWNA pay for anything? Its a 7 year old car, not bought from BMW and without a BMW extended warranty. It would be great if they extended some goodwill but its a bit of a stretch to expect anything.

Shot in the dark at this point, but the service advisor at the BMW dealership stated I may have a good chance because of the service history records and the lower mileage of the car...

[IIAp3x]

Originally Posted by regular guy

Let me put it to you this way. After you've had an engine fail like this and an engine full of metal shavings, and you go to build a stroker motor, RD Sport (I'm not sure about Dinan), won't warranty the motor unless you also change the oil pump, oil lines, and oil cooler.

I will be making sure that this gets done... It's a small price to pay for a piece of mind in the grand scheme of this whole overhaul...

[SenorFunkyPants]

Originally Posted by IIAp3x

Shot in the dark at this point, but the service advisor at the BMW dealership stated I may have a good chance because of the service history records and the lower mileage of the car...

Always worth a try...good luck.

[IIAp3x]

Originally Posted by Rich150001

Thanks for keeping the community informed with the process and your experiences during this stressful time. Glad the engine was replaced, even if it was used. I would hate to be in your situation. This is great information for those who have 3rd party warranties or who are also looking to purchase one (me).

I'm curious though how BMW NA is going to respond to you? As more M3s fall victim to the Rod Bearing issue, I hope that BMW NA does the right thing and looks into recalling rod bearings on M3s as it seems to be an engineering flaw.

I know in the N54 335i world, there was a number of BMW issued recalls/extended warranties for fuel pumps, turbos, etc. Some of the recalls/extended 10 year warranties were the result of a law suit by its owners. I was able to get my turbos replaced as a result on my 335i.

Still no response from BMWNA; not even a phone call yet...

[maloo]

Originally Posted by Rich150001

Thanks for keeping the community informed with the process and your experiences during this stressful time. Glad the engine was replaced, even if it was used. I would hate to be in your situation. This is great information for those who have 3rd party warranties or who are also looking to purchase one (me).

I'm curious though how BMW NA is going to respond to you? As more M3s fall victim to the Rod Bearing issue, I hope that BMW NA does the right thing and looks into recalling rod bearings on M3s as it seems to be an engineering flaw.

I know in the N54 335i world, there was a number of BMW issued recalls/extended warranties for fuel pumps, turbos, etc. Some of the recalls/extended 10 year warranties were the result of a law suit by its owners. I was able to get my turbos replaced as a result on my 335i.

BMW tried to sweep the N54 problems under the rug until ABC aired both a Nightline and Good Morning America segment. Yes there was a lawsuit but that wasn't the catalyst. The problem with class action lawsuits is that only the lawyers win and very few in the class actually get made whole. Look at the Porsche IMS failure lawsuit. Porsche got to settle on high favorable terms and most of the car owners got screwed. The lesson is someone call ABC not a lawyer!

[s85e90]

Originally Posted by maloo

BMW tried to sweep the N54 problems under the rug until ABC aired both a Nightline and Good Morning America segment. Yes there was a lawsuit but that wasn't the catalyst. The problem with class action lawsuits is that only the lawyers win and very few in the class actually get made whole. Look at the Porsche IMS failure lawsuit. Porsche got to settle on high favorable terms and most of the car owners got screwed. The lesson is someone call ABC not a lawyer!

Wow. I never knew it was televised. Sadly this is the only thing that makes change (bad press). A suit was talked about before but I'm sure someone here knows someone in media. And the factual information is here.

[maloo]

Originally Posted by s85e90

Wow. I never knew it was televised. Sadly this is the only thing that makes change (bad press). A suit was talked about before but I'm sure someone here knows someone in media. And the factual information is here.

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/vide...-pump-11978794

[davesaddiction]

I had the high pressure fuel pump fail (correction - sensor) in my car last year, fwiw. Sounds like it's much less of an issue in our cars...

[s85e90]

Originally Posted by davesaddiction

I had the high pressure fuel pump fail in my car last year, fwiw. Sounds like it's much less of an issue in our cars...

There's no high pressure fuel pump in our cars. That's only for direct injection.

[s85e90]

Originally Posted by maloo

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/vide...-pump-11978794

This isn't m3 related at all. But that's what m3 owners need to do. Get on TV

[thekurgan]

Originally Posted by s85e90

This isn't m3 related at all. But that's what m3 owners need to do. Get on TV

Yup. A case could also be made (if proper warm up does help the longevity of the engine) that the already-present rev limiting function is flawed and the oil really isn't warm enough to get to the max rpm, with the mandated oil weight.

[davesaddiction]

Originally Posted by s85e90

There's no high pressure fuel pump in our cars. That's only for direct injection.

Sorry - high pressure fuel SENSOR.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by s85e90

This isn't m3 related at all. But that's what m3 owners need to do. Get on TV

The fix is not on TV !
The fix is not in Germany with BMW !
They don't have a fix , they never had !
Not in the past (the last 12 years) , not today... and not tomorrow !
Because when you have BF with a S65 built end of 2013 , so the last builts of the S65 ,that's proof that the problem was still there after 7 years of production !
Than it's very clear that they never had a fix ...
TV is ok to explain what is going on Worldwide with the S65 , I'm agreed with that .
But the big problem is that BMW has no fix , so where can we get a fix ?
Nowhere is the answer..
The only thing that BMW can do is to give us , S65 owners extented warranty.. but only in case of BF even owners out of warranty .
In other simple words...
In case of BF....and even out of warranty BMW needs to replace it , that's the only thing we can ask and put that on a paper .
And personal I think we will never get it , because the S65 is history for BMW .
And BMW can say ...We replaced all S65's under warranty and a lot, and that is actualy true , so we are in advance... nowhere .

[s85e90]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

The fix is not on TV !
The fix is not in Germany with BMW !
They don't have a fix , they never had !
Not in the past (the last 12 years) , not today... and not tomorrow !
Because when you have BF with a S65 built end of 2013 , so the last builts of the S65 ,that's proof that the problem was still there after 7 years of production !
Than it's very clear that they never had a fix ...
TV is ok to explain what is going on Worldwide with the S65 , I'm agreed with that .
But the big problem is that BMW has no fix , so where can we get a fix ?
Nowhere is the answer..
The only thing that BMW can do is to give us , S65 owners extented warranty.. but only in case of BF even owners out of warranty .
In other simple words...
In case of BF....and even out of warranty BMW needs to replace it , that's the only thing we can ask and put that on a paper .
And personal I think we will never get it , because the S65 is history for BMW .
And BMW can say ...We replaced all S65's under warranty and a lot, and that is actualy true , so we are in advance... nowhere .

You could at least direct all your angst against BMW to them and not on a forum. That would be a good start.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by s85e90

You could at least direct all your angst against BMW to them and not on a forum. That would be a good start.

O angst here , because I can afford 10 S65's even today , no problem with that .
I'm only saying what is going on , on this forum and nothing against people on this forum...never had !
I'm only angry against BMW of what they f@cked up with all of us .
And that I'm writing down on here , think you saw that more than once..
And I'm only hoping for justice for all the people on here , you included
Edit : This forum is all about BMW , and alone I'm nothing versus BMW...

[SenorFunkyPants]

The failure rate is currently estimated somewhere around 1 to 1.5%.
1.5% equates to ~990 cars worldwide, a number that fits in with the numbers you were told and what is indicated here on m3post.
Its not a high rate by any means and its certainly not an epidemic...cars fail and that is life, getting all worked up in every thread that mentions the word bearing is achieving nothing.

[davesaddiction]

Originally Posted by SenorFunkyPants

The failure rate is currently estimated somewhere around 1 to 1.5%.
1.5% equates to ~990 cars worldwide, a number that fits in with the numbers you were told and what is indicated here on m3post.
Its not a high rate by any means and its certainly not an epidemic...cars fail and that is life, getting all worked up in every thread that mentions the word bearing is achieving nothing.

Thanks for the perspective, Funky.

Hope the failure rate levels off at these same numbers over time, as more of our cars racks up miles well into the six figures.

[javarithms]

Originally Posted by SenorFunkyPants

The failure rate is currently estimated somewhere around 1 to 1.5%.
1.5% equates to ~990 cars worldwide, a number that fits in with the numbers you were told and what is indicated here on m3post.
Its not a high rate by any means and its certainly not an epidemic...cars fail and that is life, getting all worked up in every thread that mentions the word bearing is achieving nothing.

What's your source?

[SenorFunkyPants]

Originally Posted by javarithms

What's your source?

1. A function of the number of failures reported on m3post, the estimated number of CAN/USA E9x M3 owners on M3post and the E9x M3 production numbers for CAN/USA.
Compared with:
2. A report of the worldwide numbers of S65 engines replaced over a 3 month period.

[IIAp3x]

Originally Posted by maloo

BMW tried to sweep the N54 problems under the rug until ABC aired both a Nightline and Good Morning America segment. Yes there was a lawsuit but that wasn't the catalyst. The problem with class action lawsuits is that only the lawyers win and very few in the class actually get made whole. Look at the Porsche IMS failure lawsuit. Porsche got to settle on high favorable terms and most of the car owners got screwed. The lesson is someone call ABC not a lawyer!

I was one of those that got screwed in the IMS failure debacle ironically many years back... Same situation; just out of warranty... I loved my 911, but even after I got a used engine put in it for $10k- I was still having to replace the IMS and Rear Main seals about every 15k miles because they would start leaking, even though they were supposed to be good for 40k miles...

The seals were $30 but the labor was $1000! Not to mention that it wasn't an ideal garage-repair friendly car- as you had to drop the engine to perform just about any type of repair... I paid $1200 just to have new spark plugs put it in!

I actually traded my 911 for an E46 M3 years ago because I could actually work on it in the garage if I needed to do a repair...

Unless it's the dreaded bearing failure of course... and here we are!

[IIAp3x]

Originally Posted by SenorFunkyPants

1. A function of the number of failures reported on m3post, the estimated number of CAN/USA E9x M3 owners on M3post and the E9x M3 production numbers for CAN/USA.
Compared with:
2. A report of the worldwide numbers of S65 engines replaced over a 3 month period.

I always end up in that .0165 percentile!!!!!

[davesaddiction]

Originally Posted by IIAp3x

I always end up in that .0165 percentile!!!!!

Remind me not to stand next to you in a thunderstorm.

In all seriousness, that sucks getting hit twice with an expensive failure like this...