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i cant believe i am on a BMW M3 forum where there is DCT owners and all people are looking at is the shift speed. GM says they can make the tranny shift very fast. OK i believe them.
i dont want a numb torque converted auto. the DCT are rough and the rough just driving around town is what makes them feel better. |
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you seem like the perfect buyer for this new GM tranny if thats your view. i agree though on the points why DCTs are used. |
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On upshifts, downshifts, and paddle/shift responsiveness I'll believe it when I see it.
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Now, like you said, if GM was able to make traditional autobox at least as fast shiftig gears as dct, pdk, but remain smooth and comfortable on the street, then there will be no reason for any car maker to manufacture expensive units like DCT. |
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I just drove a 458 for a few laps. And a dual clutch is the way to go. So dct is better than manual and now autoshitboxes are better than dct?!
Just did a full circle. Who cares about everyday smoothness. It has to shine on the track not in the city. I'll be damned to buy a ferrari with a autoshitbox |
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at least in a prius you have an excuse to get beat down on the track.
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I see what you are saying. Very good point. But i have had two cars with DCT, one for 5 years and the other for 4. Want to try something else now, and i am not going back to manual. Maybe i am getting old
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Funny how when someone says they prefer the manual because it has a more direct connection to the car, the DCT fanboys brag about how much faster the shifting is with the DCT compared to the outdated 3 pedal set up. And now when a conventional auto with a torque converter is claimed to shift even faster than a DCT, the DCT fanboys pull an about face and the slower shifting DCT is now better because it has a more direct connection to the car?!?!?!!
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Torque converter based autos may upshift as fast or faster but the downfall of a torque converter auto has always been, and my bet will continue to be, the downshift speed. That and shift "crispness". Also remember than even on upshifts, a DCT is effectively instant so even if the auto is faster there will be little perceived improvement in actual use IMO. To me, a DCT and a fast auto are essentially equal relative to actual upshift performance as both are for all intents and purposes instant. I don't think an auto is a bad option at all... my bet is it will perform very well and serve the car well. There will be a difference in feel of the transmission versus a DCT (and that may matter to some) and I will be interested in the downshift speed relative to a DCT. The MCT auto in my C63 upshifted almost as fast as the DCT in my M3 but it downshifted more slowly and never felt as connected or crisp. It was more of a feeling than an actual performance problem. The MCT auto is, IMO, comparable in performance to the new ZF autos and is very capable. It was also no where near as fun as the DCT in my M3. In terms of "connection" and "feel" with the car, MT > DCT > any auto. In terms of upshift performance, DCT = new autos and both are better than MT In terms of downshift performance, DCT > auto has been my experience... we will have to wait and see on GM's new 8 speed. Last edited by gthal; 02-07-2014 at 08:42 AM.. |
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